It makes me proud that the Blog is slowly and steadily making progess.Everbody seems to be more interested in my identity. My hidden identity is certainly going to help the greater cause that is the cause of upliftment of Bhargain.I want that some of the persons who have not responded to the Blog must write at least something. They are Major Javed, Guddu son of Israr Khan, Dr Quamrul, Zakir and Shakeel, Shakeel (Tanatan Sunni). Their language may not be english but hindi dialect in English is always welcome. Thus Let me have the privilege of closing this topic and initiating a new one i.e 'Are Politics and Education are same sides of the coin?.
New topic is welcome on this blog. The topic requires analysis and assessment based on following parameters to arrive at the conclusive remark; (i) Politics in Education : (a) Helps to build infrastructure for education system (b) Undesirable and dangerous in imparting quality Education (c) helps in providing employment and job opportunities , an essential feature to promote quality education (ii) Education in Politics : Not essential feature but desirable and preferable. (iii) Politics without Education : Possible but undesirable. It is directly or indirectly responsible for deterioration in politics . (iv) Education without politics : Possible but Quality Education becomes static phenomena So politics and education are two separate fields, sometime dependent on each other to some extent for their proper growth but not wholly dependent on each other .Sometime intermixing of politics with education system is dangerous and therefore, cannot be treated as the two sides of the same coin.
Asslamualaikum; New topic is welcome on this blog. The topic requires analysis and assessment based on following parameters to arrive at the conclusive remark; (i) Politics in Education : (a) Helps to build infrastructure for education (b) Undesirable and dangerous in imparting quality Education (c) helps in providing employment and job opportunities , an essential feature to promote quality education (ii) Education in Politics : Not essential but desirable and preferable. (iii) Politics without Education : Possible but undesirable. It is directly or indirectly responsible for deterioration in politics . (iv) Education without politics : Possible but Quality Education becomes static phenomena So politics and education are two separate fields, sometime dependent on each other to some extent for their proper growth but not wholly dependent on each other .Sometime intermixing of politics with education system is dangerous and therefore, cannot be treated as the two sides of the same coin.
PART-I In his failure sprouted a faint flicker of hope. With the years, the hope became a dream. And the dream has not only come true for him but for many who dared not dream big.
Meet young mathematician Anand Kumar from Chandpur Bela, Patna, whose dream of pursuing higher studies at Cambridge University was terminated by financial difficulties, despite an offer from the top British institution. Having come a long way since, a gritty Kumar today is the proud brain behind Super 30, the free IIT coaching centre for talented poor students in Patna which has been hitting the national headlines two years in a row for its 100 per cent success rate. But this 36-year-old would rather tell his sad story first.
“I knocked at many doors in 1994-95 seeking sponsorship to study at Cambridge. I sought help from the then Bihar Government, visited newspaper offices in Delhi too. Though The Hindu published a story on me, nothing came of it,” recalls Kumar, flashing a gentle smile and a pair of twinkling eyes.
Tuitions
Kumar had to swallow his frustration and accept his reality.
“I wish there was Internet then, my plea would have got a wider audience,” he says. Being a brilliant student of mathematics, he thought of making a living giving tuitions.
“I began to coach local IIT aspirants by starting my Ramanujam School of Mathematics.” Kumar lost his father long ago and his mother ran a small business of homemade papad to put food on the table.
Kumar, who stopped over at Delhi the other day on his way back from Bangalore where he presented a research paper on mathematics, continues to rewind. “The institute was doing all right, and I was beginning to accept the reality that my life would end this way.”
Turning point
But then everything changed. He explains how: “It was in early 2000, a poor student came to me seeking coaching for IIT-JEE. He said, ‘I can’t afford the full fee. I will give you Rs.1500 now and after my father sells his crop of potatoes six months later, I can give you another Rs.500.’ I reeled back to my days of frustration and thought hard. I wanted to make a difference.”
It led him to start Super 30, a free residential IIT coaching centre for financially weak students. “After a test, I picked 30 students who had it in them to make it to the IIT. I offered them free boarding and lodging. But it was not easy.” Needing help, he called back his brother who by then had gone to Mumbai seeking work; his mother offered to cook for the boarders; he roped in two teachers to help and took a place on rent.
PART-II In the first year, 18 students made it to different IITs. And since 2008, all 30 have been successful. With such sparkling results, one is tempted to call him Midas, but back home, he says, “I am still called the papad wallah bhaiya because for about three years I used to go door to door selling my mother’s papads.”
Kumar’s success attracted offers from rich businessmen. “But I refused. I want to state that one can make a difference without big money. The fee I earned from Ramanujam Institute is enough.”
Coaching mafia
It also attracted the wrath of the local coaching mafia, and a staff member was stabbed one day. “I have security guards now.” But he is steadfast. “Because I am convinced that right coaching can make a huge difference to poor students. So far, 182 students out of 210 have made it to the IIT through us. Imagine what difference they will bring to their families. The rest also made it to other good institutions.”
Reacting to Union HRD Minister Kapil Sibal’s idea of scrapping the IIT entrance examination, he says, “He should rather think of cutting down the lofty standard of questions in the entrance. They are for research scholars, not for class 12 students.”
Opening Super 30 to poor students from outside Bihar, Kumar has expanded the number of seats to 60 from this year. “We had an all-India test but could pick only 45.” There are two reasons. One is that good students from poor families often drop out before completing class 12. “The other reason is, even though we managed to get a few more than 45 this time, they opted out because their families feel Bihar is not a safe place to be.”
KUMAR KARMA
* Anand Kumar has published various articles and research papers on mathematics in well-known international journals like The Mathematical Gazette, The Mathematical Spectrum and Parabola Australia.
* He has delivered talks on the Super 30 model at various institutes like IIM, Ahmedabad, and business forums like the CII.
* Discovery channel made a film on Super 30 early this year. The film made on his institute by ORTV, London, last year went on to win the Audience Choice Award at the IFFLA, USA.
* During the making of “Rang De Basanti”, Bollywood star Aamir Khan made a short film on Kumar’s work which featured in the film’s special show “Rang De Basanti Salam”.
* Japan’s NHK channel made a film on how Super 30 is contributing to the socio-economic change in India.
Today you ask any student what he would like to become when he grows up… most of them one will come up with an answer of an Engineer, Doctor, Lawyer, IAS officer, cricketer etc, the known professions. Have you heard any one telling you that he would like to become a politician? The answer mostly is “NO”. So politics just happens?. No one aspires for it? So do we agree that politics happens either by chance or for those people who could not turn themselves into any officers? I tend to disagree. Just because you studied and educated your self doesn’t mean you can appreciate people’s problems. Politician works for the people, he represents people so he need not be highly educated to understand what they want. If he is educated enough to carry their problems through, put them to the right forums and work towards resolving them he can be a good politician. A good politician not necessarily should have high academic credentials to back with… yes education does bring lots of social awareness and logical approach to problem resolution but when it comes to a democratic country like ours where we have high diversity, the approach is slightly different. You need to talk people’s language to be their leader and that your education most likely doesn’t teach you.
Ultimately u can never say that politics and education are two different sides of same coin.
This is for the first time I have came to know about you.Tell us something more about you. Your views on the subject are frank and politically straight.You are chhupe rustom indeed .
yes u r right ...thandi badne ke sath blog bhi thanda ho gaya hai..
Jaha tak bhargain ke pehlu se dekhne ka saval hai..i dont have an idea @ its politics..but as far as education is concern..bhargain ke jo log yaha baroda ya kisi aur city me rehte hai.. wo log apne baccho ko atleast thoda bahot education de pate hai..lekin jo bhargain me hi rehte hai..wo log itni care nahi lete..abhi ke trend me humari next generation education ko lekar bahot serious nahi hai isliye kafi bacche yaha higher education nahi kar pate sirf 12th ya jyada se jyada graduation kar ke chod dete hai.Iska ek reason ye bhi hai unhe proper guidance nahi milta.aur dusra unke valid bhi ye jaroory nahi samjte..just because wo itna nahi padhe nahi hote .aur wo bhi sochte hai ki baccha jaldi se unke dhande me set ho jaye.ye mentality next generation ko aage badhne me rukavat paida karti hai..jo nahi hona chahiye..
Salam to everybody. this is for the first time that i m participating in this blog. myself is rizwan ali, did LL.B. from AMUand now doing MBA from Gr. noida.
as far as the comment made by anis sb. is concerned "people of bhargain have no interest in the education", i m of the opinion that there is one another reason, that is educated children of bhargain have not contributed enough in bhargain whether it is their family or society.educated person does'nt want to talk them or show interest in them. there is no physical evidence to contravene what i said. if u have, plz reply.
as far as education and politics is concerned i believe that education plays an important role in politics. a good politician is that who know what is required for the development and what is provided by the govt.it is something that only an educated person can take care of.
whether we can expect from chairman sir that he knows his people better. he knows only how to catch the eye of voters but he doesn't know what govt is doing for minorities. it is the bakhshi who tell him everything, an educated one, and who decides what is to be done.
so there is much differnce b/w the politics done by an educated and non- educated person.
but politics in education is not require as it may destroy the whole system of education. for example, education in bhargain, it is bcoz of the politics of some people that whole education of our town has been damaged. the hon. mulayam singh govt decision of the self centre in board exam has decreased the system of education in our state.
so my opinion is that education is essentially required in politics but politics should be kept from education.
Due to some technical problem i have lost my total data from my personal computer, i am again prepairing same plan and hope i will send u very soon inshallah at your personal ID.
Asslamu alaikum to all of you; Here is general assessment on conflict and conveniences of Education system with politics and answer to Bhargain education and politics lies in it. Development and sustenance of Education System in India in prevailing political environment:: (1) Jaan kar minjumla-e-khasan- e-maikhane mujhe, Muddaton roya karenge ,jaamo paimana mujhe -Jigar Moradabadi These lines may also fall short for a fitting tribute to the founder of Mohammedan Anglo Oriental College at Aligarh in 1877 which was later upgraded to full fledged Aligarh Muslim University in 1920,Sir Syed Ahmed Khan,the greatest visionary and Educationist of this sub-continent. He did this great job in spite of adverse political atmosphere in the country charged against Muslims and stiff resistance from the Ulemas of our own community.The Britishers were convinced after the first war of Indian Independence in 1857 that Muslims in particular were responsible for this war and now it was their turn to take revenge from the community. Thousands of Muslims were executed who raised voice against Britishers and there was complete collapse of political,educational and military power of muslims. Under these circumstances, it was a Herculean task for anyone to take up the cause of Muslims on such a large scale. Sir Syed had seen the fall of Mughal empire and humiliation of community with his own eyes and was aggrieved with the political turmoil in the country.He was motivated for this great cause to save the community from further humiliation and was fully convinced that further humiliation can be avoided only by providing the modern education to Muslims and thereafter dedicated his whole life for this great cause and the result is before us.This great university had remained politically active along with excellence in academics and produced some great leaders before and after independence .Thus AMU has not only survived against the odds and evens of politics and time well in spite of its being at the centre of political system and politicians but also progressed well. (2) Educational Institutes like ,IIT’s/IIM’s established much later in the sixties and thereafter have remained politically least affected except their dependency on govt for funds requirement and have excelled well with time and attained undisputedly first position in the country in academics. The syllabus being taught over there meets national /international standards and everybody knows that passouts from these institutes are in hot demand and are hired by national/international companies within no time at the earliest opportunity. This is an example where Academic Institutes have performed at par excellence and survived without any political interference except the fund requirements.
(3) On the other hand Madarsa Education system though remained politically least affected has proved most static system due to lack of proper funding and age old syllabus falling short of Modern Education system . The teachers being paid over here are getting even less than the wages of labour and not enough to support their livelihood . It is big question as why Urdu,Arabic Persian cannot be taught as a subject in these schools like university subject so as to make the syllabus more meaningfull and useful.Muslim society by and large is funding these schools and the passouts from these schools hardly get any job due to non-recognition of these courses by government obviously due to limited applicability of these subjects. If the education system in these Madarsas can be reoriented and if students can join Modern education stream laterally at University level and can compete with others as did one of the student from Nadwat ul Uloom,Lucknow who qualified IAS and Mr Amir Subhani ,though University graduate ,topped the list of IAS aspirant in 1991 with its subject as Persian,Arabic and Urdu . The proposal being floated by Ministry of Human Resource Development to establish Madarsa Board appears politically a positive step towards Modernisation of Madarsa Education system but it is already at the centre of controversy. As usual we are not ready to accept the change in our conventional Education system and want to continue with 1000 year old system. Unfortunately the decisions lies with the people who hardly understands intricacies of the our society and need for Modern Education system. Here Political system wants to help us out of this impasse but we are not ready to accept it. (4) It is also noteworthy as how political decisions on Education system like reservation in Educational Institutes has helped the cause of SC/ST’s and OBC’s and the literacy rate and job share has improved tremendously among these castes after independence and how the geo political factors like marginalisation of Urdu language has affected the Muslims in literacy rate as well as job share who were not much behind in literacy and job share before partition. We all know that once Govt’s policy to recruit Urdu translator in state govt offices in UP had provided job opportunity to so many persons with their qualification in Urdu language and even so many non muslims were seeking degree in Urdu to get the job.So political decisions and policy matters plays a vital role in improving the education standard specially in socially and educationally backward areas and communities. (5) Politics by people with and without education has already been discussed enough and need not to be repeated again.Actually public is searching badly the breed of politician whether literate or illiterate who can understand their language. Politician of all categories except few now a days have exploited the weaknesses of the people rather than understanding their language of heart and serve them better. From the above it is clear that politics can play a vital role to bring balance in education system and to provide equal opportunities to educationally deprived areas and castes by way of Government policies .The students from Primary pathshalas and Madarsas will always find it more difficult to compete with convent educated students and therefore it is essential to safeguard the interest of them to start with. Once the people at the helm of affairs are wise enough to manage the system then Education system can perform and survive even without political interference as is the case with IIT’s/IIM’s but funding of these institute has to continue so as the quality education remains economically viable. Therefore Politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand may prove most effective.
Mr. Rauf should not guide people in such a way that they lose sight of the main issue. It is unfortunate that on the other side he was not clear in his exressions in the earlier Blog interalia " Kya hamara Chairman Mohd. Nafees 'Kalia' ka chairman elect hona faidemand ya nuksandai hai ". May be due to obvious reasons. So Let them right independently. The views should not influenced by anyone. This is the right forum where one can write freely and the expressed views should be without any prejudice.
Rizwan and Anish I appreciate your boldness.keep writing.
Therefore politics and education though helping each other in their mutual growth but are not fully dependent on each other and definitely can survive without each other .Therefore the two cannot be treated as two sides of same coin which means to me that one becomes irrelevant without the other. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
AMU and others are big -big case studies and others are not relevant to Bhargain.This is all totally a different case study and is incamparable.Even the Madarsa system is not applicable to Bhargain. It is synonymous with no education or lack of eduction system.
Asslamu alaikum to all; Personal views may differ but people 's comments are always welcome over the article.Bhargain is also a part of bigger political and education system of this country and whatever is relevant for the country is also relevant for Bhargain as well.Moreover the article is the part of information network and need not necessarily be guided by anyone's personal views. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
ILM and learning are not the family property of an individual or the heritage of a particular community. But when we study of a community with reference to its status and achievements we find that the community which gave due importance to education rose to the highest status. ILM whether related to the religion or the world determines a particular direction. Mostly Muslims are preoccupied with present and they believe in the hereafter and the life after death but Bhatti…..??? Now we are discussing that, who is responsible for this Condition of our Bhatti community? At present Peoples of Bhargain passing through a very trying time with our town problems and miseries which are many folds. At some places of our region, the survival and existence of Muslims have become doubtful but we are one of the most rapidly developing town in our region. You can discuss the reasons responsible for our present condition but you can not debate endless on whether it is correct or not. Our present miserable and pathetic condition is a fact and you have to accept the fact. It is not wise to close eyes. One of my friends Haji Shahnawaz (He is in Saudi Arabia for Haj…Allah unka haj Kubool kare, AAMIN!!!), Sends me a SMS that “Argument is bad but discussion is good, why? Because Argument is to find out “WHO” is right or wrong and discussion is to find out “WHAT” is right or wrong”. In my opinion, if we find out what is right or wrong instead of who is right or wrong then we can diagnose the disease and find out the Solution of the problem. After 1990, community experienced a new wave of life when BSA was established but failed due to some reasons I think it became a political front. (It was first ray of hope) when they were discussing about the future of community & town and doing many activity in various field like Health, Education and many administrative work, meanwhile they managed to open a Inter college as first social work for the community as far as I am concerned I am personally not satisfy about college’s result so far for our town. But in 1995 another BSA found in Baroda and they proved itself and doing well, second association was not a political front so it survive for education cause In our town there is blind race for power and everybody wants to become a Political leader of town no body is interested in giving their services to our people and become Social leader, many reasons are always put forward for the weakness, backwardness and desperate condition of the Bhatti by those self made leaders. My experience loudly says that the only reason for the miseries face by bhatti’s is their misunderstanding and ignorance regarding education.
(Continue)When we refer, the progress, development and prosperity of others we pay salute to their educational standards and achievements. We believe that the key to their success is their higher educational standards. No need to say if we prosper in the field of education, we will be able to remove our political miseries within a short span of time. If we are educated we will continuously march ahead on the path of development and progress in each field. Generally we all have experienced that while discussing or talking regarding our community we come across with many problems and we need them to be solved but in fact we try to improve the standard of our children and not for the whole community and we never give our helping hand to the deserted and poor bhatti’s childrens.. In view of present scenario, if the peoples of our town as bhargain (Come with a single identity leave puwao & sheikhpura, Mohallebazi and khandaanbazi) embark on the mission of educational development and decide that a single individual belonging to their community will not remain illiterate and uneducated, believe me, within 10-15 years you will witness all round and remarkable rise and progress in all sphere of life. The Bhatti will achieve success, prosperity, strength and balance. We will emerge in to an era of self reliance, respect and dignity. In these pathetic and miserable circumstances, each individual of the bhatti community has to play a constructive role with sincerity, on his level. Only after that we can dream of our coming generations living with dignity, and lead others. I would like to close with these words….
Kis ko Qaatil main Kahoon Kis ko Masiha samjhoon Sab yahan dost hi baithe hai kise kya samjhoon…..
Wo bhi kya din the ke har waham yaqeen hota tha Ab haqiqat nazar aayi to use kya samjhoon……
Dil jo toota to kai haath dua ko uthe Aise mahoul me ab kisko paraya samjhoon….
Zulm yeh hai ki yaqta teri begana rawi Lutf yeh hai ki main ab tak tujhe apna samjhoon….(Unknown)
Agar koi galti ho to maaf karna ……
Wa akhir-o-dawana-Anil hamdu Lillahi-Rabbi-Aalameen
Wait Mr. bhatti at last i will give you the exact answer of it and plz remember Madarsa is too important for every Muslim. And i am still saying that plz visit bhargain then we will have elaborate discussion on it.
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As rauf bhai said earlier that there is lot of hinderence over there like muhallebazi..it is very dangerous for any developement in the village.This is something like right now MR thakre do in the state of maharashtra.It is too bad for the developement in the country.First of all v have to be unite as a human being.Just focus on the village not for muhalla.
Asslamu alaikum to all; Let us remain thankful and grateful to Allah, The Rab of whole universe. It is not truth and will be a Na-shuki to the Allah Subahanhu Ta’ala if we say and agree that others have progressed and Bhattis are left behind. I think Bhattis have also flourished and prospered well and blessed with plenty of money in last 25 years ( so many bhattas , businesses and so many vehicles etc) and it is exactly what our people have aspired and wished and Allah has blessed them with what they aspired and wished. Some of us who have pursued education have been blessed with education as well and now we find quite a few Engineering ,Medical and management graduates from Bhargain, may it not be enough but it is very much there.So let us not blame others for our own deeds/mis-deeds and remain thankful to Almighty, Allah Subahanhu Ta’ala for what He has gifted us and definitely according to our wishes (niats); Regarding Madarsa education system, some of the people have fallen prey to the propaganda of west and RSS against it and I feel pity about them and their ignorance about the system.It is the education system flooded with infrastructure facilities like man, material and manpower ( lands and buildings ,funds , voluntary teachers etc ) and can be streamlined and exploited to the best advantage of community with minimum efforts and resources including the places like Bhargain with slight changes in Syllabus with mutual consent and counselling . It does not mean that we should not open new Schools/colleges with modern Education system but the movement must include to exploit the potential of these available resources also. The contribution of these Madarsas to the community cannot be underestimated in last 100 years and some of the great leaders and freedom fighters of the country have been from these Madarsa . Degrees awarded by some of these Madarsa are recognized by Universities like AMU,Aligarh Jamia Millia Islamia and Jamia Hamdard ,Delhi for higher studies and some of the Madarsa passouts are seeking admissions also for higher studies in these Universities. The contribution of Ulemas in Education system under the great leadership of Marhoom Maulana Ali Mian Nadwi , a world renowned personality on Islamic studies who pioneered and helped to establish Integral University at Lucknow to teach Modern subjects,like Medical,Engg and management courses with Chancellor of University and Management in the hand of Ulemas, cannot be under estimated .They have helped the Minority community in their own way, a great service to the community and nation both. Further comments for the well being of Bhatti’s as a whole are welcome on this blog and should not be discouraged by anyone directly or indirectly .We must stop finding faults with others and rather must see as what good they can contribute for the people of Bhargain . Rather we should encourage the people who are inclined to do something great for the community in whatever way, may it be through education, through neat politics, through social reforms, or calling people towards religion, rising above the petty politics of mohallas ,hatred, jealousy, arrogance,etc.
asslamualaikum; it is added that from 1974-1978 when I was students in Raja ka Rampur we had seen so many bhattis going to Rampur for Mazdoori and people used to laugh upon us.Now people are not available in Bhargain and now we are engaging hundreds and thousands of labour from nearby villages.We have turned from a herd of labourers to prosperous employers in a short span of 30-35 years.So let us not be ungrateful to Allah by saying that we have not prospered .However now we can concentrate ourselves towards education in time to come counsel the people and we will see Insha allah revolution in the field of education also. Khuda Hafiz Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
Asslamualaikum; can any one of the fellow Bhattis throw light upon life and contribution of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi,Shah Waliullah Dehlvi,Syed Ahmed Barelvi,Maulana Qasim Nanautvi,Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali,Allama Shibli Nomani,Allama Hamiduddin Farahi,Sheikh ul Hind Maulana Mehmoodul Hasan,Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani and Maulana Ali Mian Nadwi ? It will make the contribution of Madarsa Education more clear to some of the fellow Bhattis in last 200 years and its necessity to continue. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
Asslamualaikum; Dear Aslam sb, i am agree with you and i also think that only madarasa education system can help in this situation because last time i visit to Makataba islamiyan Beach thock and discuss some issues with Janab Hafiz Akhtar Sb and Janab Shah Ali Sb (fortunately Both are my friend)but they was really very busy with other works like Scholarship, management and other issues. i told them please come in front and break the record of syed sb.......so i think there is some requirements of improvement in this system. I think management is also not working in proper manner......in my personal view.
हम लोग मदरसा सिस्टम की तरफ ज़्यादा तवज्जो दे रहे हैं जो की हमारी सरकार भी आज़ादी के 63 सालो तक मुसलमानों को बेवकूफ बनाती रही है. मैं यह नहीं कह रह हूँ की मदरसे की हमें ज़रूरत नहीं है. भर गेन के व्यू से मदरसा दीनी तालीम के लिए ज़रूरी है और दुनियावी तालीम अलग होनी चाहिए. हमारे मदरसे सिस्टम मैं ट्रॅन्स्फर्मेशन की ज़रूरत है और हम मदरसे के नाम पर रट्टू तोते पैदा कर रहे हैं. जनाब असलम साहब ने जो नाम बताए हैं वो सब देवबंद से ताल्लुक रखते हैं. आज हम सबको मालूम है भर गेन मैं पैसे बढ़ने के साथ , शराबियों की तादात बढ़ी, गरीब की आवाज़ कम ज़ोर हुई है, अल्लाह का डर कम हुआ है, लड़कियों की इज़्ज़त मैं कमी आई है, मॉरल वॅल्यूस कम हुई हैं, झूट और फरेब बढ़ा है और आदमी ज़्यादा परेशान है.
Ye nahi ho sakta ke madarse me dini talim ke sath dunyavi talim bhi honi chahiye i think humare madrse me wo nahi ho raha hai abhi..these both must be do parallely.. Allah hafiz
Assalamoalikum…… Dear all…. As regards to the topic and specially in context of bhargain, I agree that politics is responsible for the deterioration of the education system in our town, but at the same time I believe that we need the help of political system to arrest the demise of educational system and to steer it towards progressive education. I do believe that politics and education are not totally dependent on each other. But they do have an umbilical connection. We cannot just have a bad political system existing along with good education system and vice-versa. Bad education system leads to bad politics and similarly bad politics leads to bad education system. This holds true other way round also. I agree to what has been said earlier that politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand can prove to be most effective. The need of the hour is to cleanse both, the educational system as well as political system.
I am tempted to ask some questions to everyone out here. 1.How many of us have sent our children to madarsas for formal education. and if not then why?????? 2.How many among us will send his/her children to Madarasa's for formal education in near future. and if yes then why? 3.Also please name the Madrasa's
I know few people who have studied in madrasa’s and have risen to very high positions in society. But one question troubles me more that if that system of education is so good then why these successful men have not sent their children to the same system.
Asslamualaikum; The contribution of these great ulemas for the society in the field of modern education,philosophy and in the field of freedom struggle should have been studied before making the remark.For example Maulana Rumi was most widely read poet in USA in 1997 for his philosophical poetry and was a disciple of famous Sufi saint Shams Tabrej.Shah Waliullah Dehlvi led foundation to counter rise of Britishers against Mughal empire and syed Ahmed Barelvi fought battle along withhis supporters with Maharaja Ranjit Singh who had captured muslim dominated areas and defeated him at the battle of Bagalkot in NW front now in Pakistan.Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali and Allama Shibli Nomani were close freind of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and were associated with him in establishment of MAO College Aligarh.These Ulemas have nothing to do with Deoband school of thought and you have unnecessarily diverted the issue and have belittled the contribution of these great Ulemas.Regarding Maulana Qasim Nanotvi,Moulana Mehmoodul Hasan and Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani Whatever may be their religious mindset but please read their contribution in freedom struggle for this country.Earlier also I advised that one has to study well before making any comment and please be rationale and honest in your appraoach. Regarding deterioration in society and people of Bhargain, nobody is responsible except our weak faith in religion and religious values and only religion can play vital role to remove the evils prevalent in society. Don't you think that these evils and the bad habits as enumerated by Mr Bhatti are not there in so called educated people? All of us aware that they are even worst even in so called educated and civilised society.Yes they are not there in the people practicing religion in word and spirit which I emphasised in the beginning itself. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
Regarding Madarsa System of Education all of us are educating our children with the Taalim of Quran and Hadith either by sending to madarsa or engaging Moulvi at our houses due to time constraint and those of us who are not doing due to some constraints ,repent throughtout life.So whether you send to madarsas or arrange it at your house it is the education being taught at madarsas which is important and matters for all of us.Many people are sending their children towards madarsa education upto primary level and thereafter joining mainstream and these students are performing as good as anyone.Now here the vital question is availability of education system easily available in Muslim dominated areas which is by and large Madarsa education and should therefore be exploited to its full capacity and which our society and people of Bhargain can easily afford and should undoubtedly afford modern education wherever they can. But regarding modern education everyone of us cannot afford it either due to financial constraints or due to lack of facility available or due to lack of importance assigned to it so far. At present most of the People of Bhargain are suffering from all the three deficiencies.Therefore in the present circumstances the importance of Madarsa Education cannot be underestimated for Muslims and for the people of Bhargain from any angle, any time and in any circumstances.Regarding sending children to Madasas one should not forget that Madarsa Education is be exploited wherever necessary and should not be a laughing matter.Further answer to the question "as why we are not sending our children to Madarsas", lies as why all of us not sending our children to the best available English schools of our city/country and why are we settling for whatever is affordable and easily available in nearby locality.So the constraints are the same and wherever opportunity is there,Madarsa education is being availed at the earliest opportunity.Since Madarsa education is easily available to the children which otherwise would have been left illiterate.So one has to choose between madarsa education or no education for these section of people.But for those who can afford it ,the combination of both has proved as the ideal education system and have been repeatedly emphasised in my article here even in Madarsa education.So Madarsa education system stands tall and most important for our society and cannot be ignored or underestimated due to its inherent emphasis on Islamic values and beliefs. Here are meaning from Quran Ayats which may make you to understand better the importance of Islamic studies that is Allah says; "Mere nazdiq aap logon mein bada woh hai, jo taqwe mein bada hai" .So if you are searching anything else to become great other than Taqwa (islamic way of life) then be sure you may not be great in the eyes of Allah. Without proper Islamic knowledge and practice there is higher probability that you may be drawn more towards Materialistic values and Madarsa education provides an opportunity towards knowledge and practice of Islamic values and beliefs and may prove an asset for all of us in this world and hereafter. Khuda Hafiz Mohd Aslam khan Bareilly Barelly
Asslamu alaikum; I want to know your views straight on following issues? (i) Are we not exposing our children to Madarsa education?If not then why and if yes then why don't accept it and why so much hue and cry for it? (ii)How the existing infrastructure on Madarsa education is to be utilised? Should it be left as such or be modernised ? (iii)What is the measure of prosperity ? Is it absolute or relative and how can it be obtained ? (iv)Is the corruption due to pondering of money or due to illiteracy or due to our weak religious mindset and absence of religion in thought and practice ? I will wait for the reply and while answering we should see the society around us to substantiate our point of view. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
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Asslamu alaikum; Here is the excerpts from “ The times of India ” dated November 25,2009 sacred space and I fully subscribe to these views; The right to lead certainly isn’t gained by election or appointment. Having position, title, rank, or degrees doesn’t qualify anyone to lead other people. And the ability doesn’t come automatically from age or experience, either. No, it would be accurate to say that no one can be given the right to lead. The right to lead can only be earned. And that takes time. The key to becoming an effective leader is not to focus on making other people follow, but on making your self the kind of person they want to follow. You must become someone others can trust to take them where they want to go. John Maxwell Following report also appeared on page 18,column 2 in the same paper and is reproduced below which may bend your head in shame and enhances the the importance of Madarsa education along with Modern education.
“Iran’s moral police have arrested a dozen couples for engaging ……………………. Those arrested held university degrees, while some were government employees.”
Though it cannot be generalised but there are so many such incidents in our country also appearing almost daily in newspapers which reflects the darker side of the modern education system without religious education,belief and practice.
It is nice to see you writing on the blog with such promptness. Congratulations to you. Though the debate is very old and a bit stale but let us renew this with new found vigour and enthusiasm. I have also studied in Madarsa but it was exclusive to learning QURAN and HADITH(HADIS). 1. Let us broaden the canvass by going to the extent that Madarsa system will not help in this country/world as the employment opportnities are presently not suited to Madarsa system of education.Remember ,you may study in bhargain but what about employment. Our system of education should be such that it explores opportunities of employment worldwide. Let us not be a frog in a well and seal the fates of Children of Bhargainites.Posteriety will not forgive us. In this context Mr. Azhar has raised a very prominent question as how many of us have been educated in the present Madarsa system and would like to enroll our children in the same.I donot want to get confused by citing big-big names of Madarsa brand who have excelled in life but on the contrary tell me any name from Bhargain educated in Madarsa with great reputation both in religious/public life. 2. The present Madarsa system needs to be modernised in the background of understanding ISLAM in a better way,but modernisation by blending other forms of education will be a 'khichdi' and will not be an easy task as it seems to be and will not help much in getting better employment opportunities. Madarsa system helps in getting close to the basic tenets of Islam and helps us in understanding Islam in a better way( which is not so). Madarsa system should not be linked with modern system of education. Perhaps AMU is the best example. 3. No comments 4. Absolutely, the corruption is due to our weak religious mindset and absence of religion in thought and practice which is very much evident in all walks of life whether politics or in the field of education.
Remember we should be pragmatic not bookish in our approach to analyse the things while firmly sticking to the ground.
In our Multicultural and Multireligious democratic country we have to walk shoulder to shoulder with others by keeping your identity intact and secluding yourself from others will not help.
what have Aftab,Mobin,Azhar,Aslam, Dr.Quamrul, Zaheer,Rauf,Rahman etc. etc. have done for Bhargain? The answer is nothing. it is true that we are not involved and we have left Bhargain at the mercy of people like kalia. History will repeat if we are not involved realistically at this stage. If want to wait till we retire than we should close this blog and be happy with our families.
Asslamualaikum dear aftab and others; My thoughts throughout on Madarsa education was to make it more acceptable to multireligious and mulltilingual society by its modernisation than what it is today to generate more employment opportunities and not to seclude it from mainstream.Therefore balance growth of education is very important so that we do not get lost in this materialistic world.Regarding big names from Madarsa education it came for discussion when Bhatti said that it Madarsa education is synonym to no education and none of you objected to this remark.I thought it was great unjustice for this age old system which has produced so many great personalities on whome we are all proud of. (ii) Regarding mine and your contribution to the people of Bhargain we can extend our moral support for any right cause due to our job condition as I told in the beginning itself but there should be any takers for it.When people do not agree with your point of view and are prejudiced against you then it is very difficult to convince anybody and to do anything.But nevertheless efforts have to continue.Is it not true that Capt saheb lost election because others supported but your own people ditched you." "There is very interesting fact that is in one of elections for Nagar Panchayat ,Bhargain one of the fellow to whome Mr Abdullah had donated his blood, did not vote to him due to his loyality to his mohallah candidate and one of his friend from childhood openly opposed him because somebody from this part of village should not win the election." So only Allah can help this type of mindset.However one should not lose the hope and pray to Almighty to change the mindset of the people of Bhargain and rise above the politics of self ,arrogance,mohallah,jealousy and hatred etc. From the day 1 on this blog I hold this opinion and may continue so.our People have ditched to them also who did development work for them. So we have to chalk out strategy to work for the people of Bhargain and work for it.Let us not hang ourself for any individual but work against this type of mindset,sit together and work for the larger interest of people of Bhargain by finalising the social, religious ,educational and political agenda. Khuda Hafiz Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
I think you have misinterpreted my statement. I said "AMU and others are big -big case studies and others are not relevant to Bhargain.This is all totally a different case study and is incamparable.Even the Madarsa system is not applicable to Bhargain. It is synonymous with no education or lack of eduction system."
This was purely in the context of Bhargain,so kindly don't jump the lines.
Asslamualaikum; Dear Bhatti; I have correctly intrepreted your sentence"it is synonymous with no education system or lack of education system" may it be for Bhargain but you criticised the Madarsa system as a whole and it was a challenge for anyone to prove it that it can be exploited even for Bhargain with slight modification in syllabus. On the other hand while starting blog you youself mentioned even the world famous AMU is not left untouched by politics but when I discussed AMU in my article,You say that AMU and others are big big case studies while your topic no where mentions that comments are invited exclusively in reference to Bhargain.So how can you confine anybody to write on such a general topic? Mr Bhatti you are contradicting yourself and indulging in prejudiced and frustrated comments ? can anyone of fellow Bhattis mention social,educational ,political and religious agenda on this blog for the people of Bhargain? Though social and religious agenda is beyond the purview of this context but it is very much relevant for the larger interest of the people of Bhargain. Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
My one line answer is my reference to the comment made on November 19, 2009 12:48 PM
"It will be better on our part if we discuss the issue vis-a-vis Bhargain otherwise the discussion will be endless".
I think Mr. Aslam has taken my comments very close to his heart and has knowingly or unknowingly added to my credentials as a moderater of the Blog. I would be happy if you act as my critic.
do you really think that the present custodians of Madarsa's of Bhargain will allow a slight modification. They will throw us out of Bhargain.So we should not play with the fire.
Asslamualaikum to all; Now my doubt is clear after you have admitted the truth that people of Bhargain will throw you outside the Bhargain if change is tried.If that is the level of determination and acceptability then be sure that no change is possible and you appear to me another man in making to whome you are criticising most without any agenda to work except to criticise others.If one has to bring a change in society and is afraid of fire,I don't have any doubt that such people cannot bring any change in society and are having ambitions to lead only without any moral right and ethics. Regarding your being accepted as moderator anyone is free to boast himself whatever he feels himself but Allah does not like people who boast and are arrogant. Regarding Madarsa System I still hold the view that Madarsa system is one of the established system in Bhargain which can be exploited for the people of Bhargain with bare minimum efforts towards its modernisation and relevant also as better system being talked about here are not available for them at presentand practically possible .However mainstream of education can always be joined after primary level to continue higher studies. Regarding earning livlihood leave upon Allah,he has promised you in holy Quran for your sustenance and see around He is nourishing everyone.Regarding Calling people towards good deeds and prevent them from evil things is the message in quran and will continue in future also. I still request to post your agenda for social religious educational and political change applicable for the people of Bhargain.
Good, you have come out clearly on the subject. In the next yearly convocation(Jalsa) of Madarsa of Beech Thok, you should be present and will try to convince people of Bhargain.By the way you should enroll your children/near and dear ones in any of the Madarsa's of Bhargain before you think of others. I am waiting to hear the good news from you.
Dear Bhatti; Don't worry time will definitely come when the change will be noticed everywhere including in Bhargain and in Madarsa of Beech Thok.Central Government is already on the job and we will see the required change in the time to come,may it not be so early as by the end of next jalsa.Allah is great and the required change will be seen only with the blessing of Allah.We can only pray and work hard ,rest of things you leave upon Him. Jab patta nahin hilta bina uski raza ke, phir banda gunahgar kyon, malum nahin hai Regarding the education of anybody's children everyone is availing the education according to his constraint and privilege .For your information many aligarian prefer Iqra school(CBSE pattern my dream school pattern) over Lady fatima a christian convent school and so will I while my stay in Aligarh only due to Islamic studies.And if Bhargain Madarsas accept the proposal for its modernisation,the children of many of us may not get admissions in Madarsas as a true for Iqra Public School.The sructure of taamir-e-Millat Madarsa in Aligarh may also be studied, the students of which are getting admission in AMU,Aligarh. Mohd Aslam Khan Mohd Aslam Khan Bareilly
The Indian political thinkers of colonial India were against westernisation of Indian education system since it taught materialistic prosperity as the only means for social advancement, in which there is no scope for cultural heritage linked with spiritualism. During the first two decades of twentieth century our national leaders like Aurbindo, Dayanand Saraswati, Bal Gangadhr Tilak, Gopal Krishna Gokhale, Madan Mohan Malviya, Mahatma Gandhi, Sampurnanand and others established nationalist educational institutions in different parts of the country to revive the educational heritage. Tilak, while delivering speeches on national education in 1908 maintained: "We are not given such education as may inspire patriotic sentiments. Secular education only is not enough to build up a character. Religious education is also necessary because the study of high principles keep us away from evil pursuits."
Asslamu alaikum and Id-ul-Azha Mubarak : Intelligent views of Mr Anish along with reference to Nationalist leaders are appreciable and welcome.This is exactly what is required and I am emphasising throughout my article that is combination of modern education along with religious education is the complete education plan which we should pursue to achieve our goals whatever we want to achieve.So Institutes with predominance in religious education are to be introduced with modern education and modern education is to be introduced with religious education wherever we are in a position to do so to achieve the balance growth education.Nobody should take it otherwise and strive hard to contribute in whatever best possible manner he can without any personal ego.Dire Consequences of modern education without religious value , belief and practices we have discussed enough. Woh zamane mein moazziz the musalman hokar', aur tum khwar hue tarike Qur,an hokar - Allama Iqbal I also invite on the occasion of Id-ul-Azha to all of you at my residence in Bhargain.
Past few comments posted on this blog were lifted from the well published articles and nowhere the source is mentioned. i do not say that we should not quote the things which are said by others. We do get influenced by the writing of others and try to shape up our chain of thoughts on those lines. Nothing wrong in doing that. But we should have the courtesy to acknowledge that as well while presenting the same thought to others. Just search on the net for the article "THE POLITICS OF EDUCATION IN INDIA: need for a national debate" and "http://prashantsugur.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/05/14/Politics-and.html". I request all to be courteous enough to explain the source and come out with personal opinions on the matters discussed here.
Many people have commented on the blog, but I have not got a single direct answer from anyone for my question(Well it is absolutely not necessary to comment to my questions). Citing some or the other pretexts everyone is trying to stay away from reforming this system. Don’t we send our children to the boarding schools to get best of the available education inspite of several constraints? As far as my knowledge goes the people writing on the blog have not sent their children to madarasa's for formal education. Its really cynical that we want other’s children to go through the reforms of madarsa’s, but are not ready to send our children and make them go through the process of reforms. Change can only be made by being a part of the system. I also do understand the role and utmost importance of religious education in building character of an individual. Religious education is important and given to one and all. So i think we should get realistic and practical and stop fooling ourselves and other's in the name of Madrasa's. Madarsa's can't be reformed if we keep sending our children to Modern Educational system. But the bigure question is Who will risk the future of his or her children?
If we think,that we r real thinker for our bhargain.and Really want to do somthing for it.Then my dear all, we have to stay there for year or more to understand real picture of the village we can not say just by some numerical analysis values.Give me a ans how many literate persons who belongs to bhargain are there at this time.We stay away from bhargain to build a career and discussing @ its education and socialism..it is just time waste..
Kuch bhi bura lage to plz muaf karna. Allah hafiz..
Asslamu alaikum to all; I ivited to all of you in Bhargain due to my presence there on Bakrid.Now you are welcome to Bareilly as well. I have requested to all of you many times to post the agenda for Political, social, educational and religious change for Bhargain but why people have abstained it ? (ii) can anyone of you have any agenda for the poors and needy people of bhargain who cannot afford education by their own? (iii) What are are alternative ,affordable and better sources of education available at present for the people of Bhargain? (iv)If we happen to stay and reside in in Bhargain and are not having means then where will we seek admission for our children ? ( Maktab Islamiya/Primary Pathshala/non-recognised public schools) (v) Why all of us have not admitted and sent to our children to Doon school or sherwood school or any other best available schools/colleges/universities of the country school and why we settle for a nearby school though we all know that these are not the best schools/colleges of the country. If you can reply these questions only then you can understand the answer to already replied question. So until unless one understands the constraints and privileges available most vital in decisions ,he/she cannot take decisions ? Why our fathers and grandfathers didn't attend English schools though these schools were available even at that time also.The simple answer is constraints but why people don't want to understand it.Was the decision taken by our fathers/grand fathers to send us to the Madarsa/primary pathshala be treated as wrong? No, absolutely not because of the theory of 'constraint and privilege' and it still hold good even today for you for me and for all of us. When somebody suggests that there is need to improve the village system then one should not ask as why don't you want to live in villages.Having understood this whether the question being raised and justified is worth asking and repetition ?
Asslamualaikum; (i) Thinking and discussion on any matter is prerequisite for any change to take place. (ii)Thoughts when finalised are converted to plans. (iii) Final plans are converted to actions to execute these plans. (iv) Having executed the plans it is monitored for its success and failures and rectified thereafter. So Success and failure of any plan depends on how well thought the plan was and executed thereafter.So it is chain reaction and each and every stage is equally important. So there is no harm if we discuss and refine the process and make everyone to agree for a well thought plan.For it it is necessary to have our agenda otherwise it is not possible to arrive at any result.
can u really compare the educational ethos of the time u have studied and the time when your children are studying? It is very naïve to equate the education system of two different time periods. Time has changed so has the educational values.
I just could not understand what are the constraints in sending one's children to madarsa's except for the fact that they have an outdated syllabus which is not in sync with modern education. I am sure there are no financial and geographical constraints. Only social constraints are there.
Your Greeting for Iduzzuha were reccived.when i opend the massage box in my mobile yesterday. I Also wish to greet you. I also Visioted your blog It is good device of having contacts and knowing the views.
I want to blog on my village but in hindi not in english.
kya hai hum ek normal inshan hum thik se rah nahin sakte pahle ke buzurge to achhe the ki wo shanti se goan me rahte aur ek dusre se mel melap tha aaj to log dil milte kam - dil ko cheer kar milna chate hai.
about my parts of village.
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1.Pughaon.
2.Shekhpur.
Difference bus itna ki pughon ke log dushmani bhulte nahi aur shekhpur ke log bhul jate hai.
•Pughaon.
Yahan ke log dushmani mein vishvas rakhte hai log ek dushre ko marne todne me ladane me vishvas rakhte hai log. yahan adhmi ke paas khane ko roti nahi par riffle mein goli zaroor hona chaiye ye faishion nahi mazburi hai log na jane kahan se dushmani nebhe.
•Shekhpur
Yahan par adhmi milta zaroor par apne matlab se kya malum kab chairmani mein select ho jauon log ek dusre par politics se war karte hai. Jo pade likh educated hai wo apne business or position mein lage hai koi kisi aur ki taraf nahi dekh raha bus apni immpresion banani hai bhale dosre ki maa............. ..... yahan par do firkhe hai jo nizam khan aur baki nozwillah pata nahin kahan se aya hai. kuch sunni kuch deo-bandi. hamara chairman vey good kyon ki wo apne muhallahe ko ek saath rakhta hai par kahte sab ki unka mohala.
•Hasan thok. yahan sabse jyada unpadh log hai par sabse jyada paise wale hain kyon ye log mehnat aur beimani pure josh se karte hain.
•Gadhaiya thok. yahan ke log paise wale to hai par ekta nahi hai kyun ki yahan ke chairman apni jagah se haar jate hai deo bandi yahan se suro hue willa hol willa.
•Meen bhadela thok. ye log never gabhi koi in sa nahin ho jo ye kehte hai jo hum karte hain us ko mat dekho hum kehte hai wo karo.
•Lal baug. ye log very good kisi se mat lab nahin apnie khud ke kheton par kabja hai aam ki sabji aur neel gaye ka sikar very good paar aashiq 777 bidi good and rich person in lal baug.
•Seasam thok. yahan ke log jis ka palda bhari wo hamara rahguzar us ke hum pasinde yahan ke log kabhi bhi kisi ko bhi kahin bhi kabhi bhi dhokha de sakte hai.
nothing else
aur mein
navayard mein sabse jyada sarthi nalayak adhmi hun meri baton ka bharosa mat karna kya malum galat likha ho
khuda hafiz
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Assalamoalikum....... The mohallawise and directionwise postmortem done above does not deserve any comment from me, because i do not subscribe to his views. Is blog ka matlab logo ko jodna hona chahiye... We should refrain from making generalised comments.
Asslamu alaikum to all and khush Amdeed to new members; Here are excerpts from the interview published in Armughan,an Urdu Magazine in its June,2009 Edition and reproduced in “Naseem Hidayat ke Jhonke”Part II on page 229 of Janab Mohd Umar (Earlier Shri Ram ji Lal Gupta) “I was an active member of Bajrang dal and RSS and associated with the Babri Masjid/Ram Mandir movement since the opening of lock of Babri Masjid in 1986 and was present in Ayodhya on 6’th December,1992 along with my team of karsevaks and celebrated the demolition of Babri Masjid with full enthusiasm by throwing open a grand party at my residence.I was so involved in the religious frenzy that I even didn’t care for the valuable advice of my secular son who held a doctorate degree in sociology and donated Rs 25 lakh for the demolition of babri Masjid and construction of Ram Mandir.But I was astonished and frightened that on 6’th December’1993 that is exactly one year after the demolition of Babri masjid my shop and godown which were at a distance caught fire simultaneously by short circuiting and goods worth Rs 10 lakhs were reduced to ashes.From that day onwards I along with my all family members were afraid of any mishappening on 6’th December every year.On 6’th December,2005 my only son yogesh met accident and died on the spot while going to lucknow for some business engagement.After this incident , I was fully convinced that I have to repent for my misdeeds and decided to study Islam and have now accepted Islam on 22.01.2009. My wife ,my daughter in law and my grand children have also accepted Islam and have engaged one maulvi to teach us holy Qurán and Hadith. He has donated now Rs 25/- lakh to build a mosque and madarsa and praying to Allah to remove his name of the list of demolitiors of Babri masjid.
Dear sir's Assalam Alaikum I have gone through the viwes of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan, Anis Ahamad Khan, Zahir Ahmad Khan, Abdul Rauf Khan and others. I am much impressed by the following comments. 1. We must stop finding faults with others. Mohd. Aslam Khan 2. politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand can prove to be most effective. Mr. Azhar 3. Regarding deterioration in society and people of Bhargain no body is responsible except our weak faith in religion and religious values and only religion can play vital role to remove the evils prevalent in society. Mohd. Aslam Khan 4. seculor education only is not enough to build up a character. Religious education is also necessary because the study of high principles keep us away from evil persuits. Quotation of Shri Tilak's Speech by Mr. Anish I appreicate the discussion on MADARSA education. The logical presentation of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan really touched the heart. The encourging story of Mr. Kumar by Mr. Aftab is really a guide to success. A firm determination only can lead to success. The politics of Bhargain is not at all different from the politics of the county i.e. the loin's share of development, in what ever shape it is, should come to me, making no difference that small share is going to general public. Political and education institutions of our Town are running on the same principle. I have no concern with poitics so I am not at all interested in talking on political atmosphare of our Town. But on the other hand I am very much concerned with its social development that consists in education, economic and religious development.
Welcome to this Blog. You can be simply described as a shy man of yester years. A man who was good in studies but is afraid to face the world. I am not sure whether the same traits exist or not. Sir,with due regards, at last you have come out of deep slumber and your liking for well being of Bhargain in terms of improvement of education , economic and religious development is a welcome step. I do not hesisitate in pointing fingers towards the people like you who have done nothing to Bhargain except safeguarding your service in Godowns of UP Govt.
Any way! better late than never.
We are more interested to know about your views on the subject rather than critisizing/appreciating other's views.
Respected Noorul Hasan Bhai asslamualaikum to you and all others on this blog; Your unbiased views on the blog are welcome ,appreciable and source of encouragement to all of us.Regarding doing something for Bhargain some unknown philosophers has said that "charity begins at home" so even if those of us who have individually achieved and excelled in our respective fields, have glorified the name of Bhargain also.It is also worth mentioning that all the great people except the people chosen by Almighty Allah who have done something great for the society they have achieved first in their personal life and thereafter contributed for society. People with progressive ideology and thoughts have proved great contributors for the developments of any society. Raat din gardish mein hain saat aasman, Ho rahe ga kuchh na kuchh ghabrain kya -Mirza Ghalib We should not forget the lines of Kabir; Bura jo dekhan mein chala, bura na milya koi Jo dil khojo aapno, mujhse bura na hoi
What about you what you/your freinds/relatives have done for Bhargain . Don't discourage others. If you have something in you then i will tell you what Bhargain exactly needs this time. There are lots of works are pending in Bhargain. And about Mr. Noorul Hasan Khan what bad he have done for Bhargain?????? Its really shameful that you have written in your earlier comment. you are diverting from your track and what are you thinking everybody know who are you... And if You point a finger on anybody then remember other three fingers are pointing you. So Please remember take safe drive.
here is a platform to talk and discuss the issues which bhargain is facing currently.the main thing is not to settle the score with others but to arrive at the conclusion, what we can do to solve all those problems.bhargain needs a material and effective contributions from all of us. i am of the opinion that just making aggressive and contradictory statements cannot make the situation easy and conclusive.it will complicate the whole matter here.
so we should not make derogatory and defamatory statements against each other.but make every efforts to reach at the conclusions.if i himself has not done enough for bhargain then i have no right to tell others what they have done and what they should do.this is applicable to all of us. thus, plz do something concrete , constructive,and substantial for bhargain..
here we are not fighting a personal war.we are here for a social cause.
Dear Sirs Assalam Alaikum I have no hesitation to accept that I did not do any thing for the development of Bhargain. But I have not to repent on what I could not do. Let us concentrate on what we can do or how much we can contribute for the betterment of our native place. The deterioration of of educational standard in Bhargain has to be put to an end. This is the goal and how to achieve this goal is a herculian task. It is well known fact that the student seek to appear in the examination at those centres where they may get help from outside because most of them know that the earning of their livelyhood has no concern with their education. The settlement of their parents in Gujrat was due to the bright opportunities of empoyment for uneducated persons. The present time student also think so and it is a fact that illiterate person have attained a high monetory status. I am not at all prejudiced of them. Really it is pleasant to me that people of my town know no monetory bounds. But it is also shocking that we are lacking in very essential part of life for which our holy prophet Sallallaho Aliahe Wasallam said to obtain wheather it is available in China. The mentality is to be changed and it is now changing rapidly. Most of the persons who have settled in BARODA Gujrat are seeking admission of their children by paying a huge donation in schools of high educational standard and the results will come in due time.
let us make things very straight. I hope you have retired from service before the year 2000. After retirement you have preferred to remain in lucknow for your personal reasons. I hope there are no liabilities for you now. So I most humbly request you to come to Bhargain and join people of your age and work for the betterment of Bhargain.
My Dear Freinds Assalam Alaikum All of you must be knowing that though there are very few but there are Doctors, Engineers, MBA's,MCA's and many are striving to obtain higher education of Engineering, Doctor's,MBA's,MCA's, MA's etc. Most of them have got well paid jobs in public or private sectors. It is also evident that behind such success full persons there is their own efforts and resorces of there parents, presenting opportunity of feeling plesure to all of us because they belong to our town a big family of ours because I have heard from our elders that the hole town is the off-spring of a spouse. More-over with in last fiffty years there has been a development for wich non could have imagine regarding graduation of girls but at present there are graduate girls. In this way it is evident there has been progress in the field of education or in short we may say that litrecy has prevailed both among boys and girls. Where before several years we can count the literate persons and now counting is not possible. Can any one of us imagine whose cotribution brought this change.It will be ingratitude if I fail to mention there names.It was a team of the persons like Nawab Ali khan,MullahJi,Abdurrehman Khan Sahib, Janab Khan Bhadur Khan Sahib,Haji Janab Ismail Khan Sahib, MunshiJi Janab Abul Shakoor Khan, Respected Haji Janab Ahmed Ali Khan Sahib, Munshi Ji Janab Mohd Raza Khan And Janab Haji Rahikul Kausar Khan Sahib and many others whose names my memory is unable to reproduce. I beg them to forgive me. Deliberately I used this word literacy instead of education. Become education is very wide term wich covers love co-operation respect to ealders, humbleness, sinccerity and so on but these fifty years have yielded alot of hatered, discoopration and jealousy wich are deterent to the progress of the community. though individually we are attaining high economic status but as a community we have been degraded. We have lost the respect our illiterate BUZURG's were commanding we have lost our unity. Families are scatterd and the systum of joint families is diminishing.
Respected Noorul Hasan saheb; Thanks a lot for providing so much vital informormation about the people of Bhargain from past who have contributed directly or indirectly for the education and development of the bhargain.We pray for the Maghfirat of those who are no more and for long life for those who are alive. We further request you to post your valuable views over this blog.
Today I have gone through the postings on the Blog and I read your views on the subject. It gave me a deep sense of gratification when I see the people of my age writing and using internet as a source of exchanging ideas. In response, I am tempted to write and would like to clarify some of the most important events which are directly or indirectly related to the educational developments that have taken place in the history of Bhargain.
In addition to the names that have been mentioned by Noorul Sahab, I still feel that some of the most prominent and pertinent names are still left out. They were the real pioneers as far as the education of Bhargain is concerned and mentioning them will be a real tribute to their esteemed souls.
The names which have been mentioned like Marhoom Ahmed Ali, Marhoom Munshiji Shakoor, Marhoom Guinya Munshi Ji, Marhoom Abdul Hadi, etc. were teachers by their profession and no doubt taught the masses of Bhargain. At this point I want to mention that they were not the real social workers working for the cause of education. Allah ! is great and without his will nothing moves. I still have the vivid memory of 13th December 1958. One fine morning Shri Saligram and Ramsevak both from Gandhi Ashram uttered sarcastically “ Bhargain Wale Ghodon Ki Aulaad Hain” as no body was interested in the cause of spreading education. This was not taken down silently by the villagers of that time and became a challenge for them. These utterances were taken as a challenge by everyone unitedly whole heartedly and started to work for the cause of education. The lead in this movement was taken by non –other than Marhoom Abbal Hassan(Gadhaiya thok) and Janab Rahikul Kauser(Lal Baugh).
Both of them gave a call to the people of Bhargain to join the movement spearheaded by them. I along with Marhoom Mohd. Shafi Khan(Guard) were entrusted with a responsibility to help in this movement. Mahoom Haji Younis Ali( Hassan thok), Marhoom Ishaaq Khan(Hassan Thok), Marhoom Ibrahim Khan(Gadhaiya), Marhoom Mullaji Abdurrahman(Gadhaiya thok), Bhure Khan(Gadhaiya thok), Marhoom Ayub Mullaji(LalBaugh), Ali Mohd. Seth ( Fajju Thok) went out begging from door to door and collected 9 Man(Cereals) and Rs.1400/-(fourteen hundred) as collection which by any means was a great amount in those times. In addition to the above some people donated land for the above cause. They were Marhoom Haji Younis Ali Khan, Marhoom Haji Nathu Khan, Haji Rahikul Kauser, Marhoom Himmat (Badhai) etc. After acquisition of land and collection of money an executive body for the purpose of running the school at Kheda was formed. It comprised of , Mullaji Abdur Rahman: President, Haji Younis Ali : Vice President, Nawab Ali : Manager, Khan Bhadur Khan & Abbul Hassan: Secretaries, Haji Rahukul Kauser: Treasurer .
List of members is as under: 1. Marhoom Mehdi Hassan khan 2. Marhoom Haji Jang Bahadur Khan 3. Marhoom Noor Mohd. 4. Marhoom Risaldar Murtaza Ali. 5. Marhoom Mansab Khan 6. Marhoom Bhure Khan 7. Janab Shamsul Hassan 8. Marhoom Haji Ismail Khan 9. Haji Riyasat ali Pradhan 10. Marhoom Samad Khan 11. Neta Raghubar Dayal (Badhai) 12. Marhoom Liyaqat Ali
In the academic year 1961 some differences cropped up between Marhoom Nawab Ali and Marhoom Abbal Hassan. An offer was also given by Marhoom Sherwani Sahab for making it a govt. School , but the same was turned down by the then Manager of the school. Later on preferences to the dear and near ones in running the school became impediments to run the school. Marhoom Abbal Hassan was forced to resign from the body and then he left Bhargain and settled at Aligarh for educating his wards. There was no progress as far as running the school was concerned and it became a Black hole. The management of the school was handed to Marhoom Sarwar sahab in july 1997 and to Janab Ashik Ali(Bidiwale) in the year 2000. The condition deteriorated with no signs of improvement. The school was aided in the year 2003. Janab Ashik Handed over the papers to the present Chairman Ahmed Nafees urf Kalia. In 2004, Janab Salim Sherwani intervened and instructed Kalia to hand over the papers to Janab Irfan Sahab. Two self proclaimed teachers one from Raipur and second from Ganjdundwara staked their claim to be headmasters as the school was aided and every one was longing for the regular appointment for the lust for money. The BSA had already visited the school and found grave irregularities in the records of both the headmasters. Today the school is closed and Children of Bhargain suffer.
I have tried my best to present a clear picture(without any prejudice) about the chronology of events which have influenced the education of Bhargain. Now it is for you to decide what is wrong or right. So it is my sincere and honest appeal to the present young turks to take a lesson from this leaf of history of Bhargain and should not indulge to repeat the same. This is also one of the main reasons to study history. Remember future generations are not going to forget and forgive us as they are smarter, bolder and work with a lot of conviction. All the best. Allah Hafiz. Capt. Abdul Latif Khan Note: There may be some names which may be inadvertently left out.
Assalamu alaikum to all; I read with great enthusiasm the article of capt Abdul Lateef Khan and was delighted with the vivid and clear picture of the socio- educational movement of Bhargain.Yes these are the real stories which can really awake all of us and some of us can really rise to occasion. with due regard to all of you, here I want to add the name of two great teachers of yesteryears in the list of persons who have contributed for the education of Bhargain. Bhargain will remain always indebted to these great teachers ,the first of of them is the name of Marhoom Janab Hafiz Murad and the other one is that of Marhoom Syed Umar Daraz (popularly known as Meer Saheb) of Beech Thok. Marhoom Hafiz Morad was the teacher of Hafiz Syed Wakeel Ahmed,pesh Imam of oldest mosque of Bhargain Jama Masjid,Beech Thok,Hafiz Daulat Sher, pesh Imam of Garayya Thok Mosque (present structure constructed around 1918), Hafiz Akhtar,earlier pesh imam of Ahmed Thok,Hafiz Ahmed Saeed of Lal Bagh,Hafiz Ghaffar and many others.He taught the Qura’an with sheer perfection of pronounciation and finest accuracy of Arabic language reading. My eldest sister-in-law was also one his student and had learnt by heart two chapters( two pare) when hafiz sahib died young sometime around 1955.She is so perfect in Qura,an recitation that I could not muster the courage to recite the Qura’an in front of her when she recently visited us only few days back. Marhoom Hafiz had composed one Deewan in Urdu Shairy which remained unpublished and one of his students Janab Ale Ali s/o Marhoom Qazi Abbas took it from the nephews ( who hardly understood the work) of Hafiz sahib to Aligarh and never returned it back.Thus Bhargain lost the greatest treasurer of Urdu poetry composed by this great teacher. My sister-in-law also recited few shairs composed by Marhoom Hafiz Morad which from my assessment can be treated as very good shairs of Urdu poetry. Another name is that of Marhoom Syed Umar Daraz who was teacher in Maktab Islamiya Beech Thok for pretty long time.He was my teacher (1965 to 1969) and that of my wife along with many others throughout the Bhargain. We are really indebted to this great teacher and pray for his Maghfirat.It is not known as when was he inducted as the teacher of Maktab Islamiya but he single handedly managed the affairs of Maktab throughout his life without much in return and got very little pay for his great service.Among other qualities he had excellent hand writing of Urdu Language and his writing looked very similar to published writing.Though Slightly short tempered,he was excellent teacher and had great affection for his students. I request Lateef Bhai & Nurul Hasan Bhai and others if they could add something more from their memory about these teachers.
Thanks for presenting the true picture of the efforts made by people of Bhargain and is an eyeopener indeed. After studying in Bhargain , I hope you joined Army and then you have retired before the year 2000. I appreciate that you have now settled in Bhargain and I am a bit surprised why you have not come up with plan of educating people of Bhargain. I also know that you have an unblemished record and dotless character plus great ability to mould people.
My only question to you is , Why you have so far not initiated the herculian and gigantic task of educating people of Bhargain ? For God's sake do something for Bhargain , before it is too late. Why don't you initiate? Look! you have agreed that we are smarter, bolder and work with lot of conviction. So we are watching you, otherwise people will equate you with 'Kalia'.
Dear Bhatti, Asslamalaikum I left Ahmedabad and settled in Bhargain in the year 2003. My heart was always craving for Bhargain while serving in Army and living in Ahmedabad for the education of my children. Now with the grace of Almighty Allah I am in Bhargain for the last 6 years or so. I am happy that people of Bhargain have accepted me back for which I am thankful to them. I have not been able to break much ice as far as educational field is concerned but it pains me when I see people not fighting for the legitimate rights. Few instances I would like to bring to your knowledge. 1. Once there was a very good rain and Complete Jahani thok was flooded with water. The water was not drained due to an uphill pulia. No body dared to break that Pulia, but I took the initiative of breaking that pulia and with in no time the water drained out and unfortunately it entered into Jahani thok and entered into the house of our Chairman. An FIR was lodged against me and others of Jahani thok but eventually I could overcome it by grace of Almighty Allah. 2. The recent Parisiman before town area election was done in such a way that Hassan thok was divided into two, Gadhaiya was scattered every where and the no. of wards in pubhaon was reduced to five from six . Ultimately by the cooperation of our fellow Bhattis we could correct the same upto 80%. 3. Finally the School from Jahani Thok was shifted to Sutia which was the last nail in the coffin for the people of Jahani thok. Again by the grace of Almighty and with the help of Janab Bhure Khan, Janab Ishtiyaq Khan, Janab Aslam( member), Janab Jabbar(member), Janab Mushtaq(member), Marhoom Shafi Sahab, Janab Noor-Alam, Janab Nathu & Janab Banti we could bring it back to Jahani Thok. It is my sincere request to Janab Idris, Janab Israr, Janab Noorul etc. to come back to Bhargain and strengthen our arms for a better future of Children of Bhargain. I do not care about what I will be called or equated with ‘Ahmed Nafees’ urf ‘Kalia’ as it is for you and others to decide.
ASAK to All, We always dream for a day when our child aspires to become an Engineer, Doctor, Manager, Cricket or Teacher and inspire new generation for the same. But for this we should make some parameter on how we can provide the friendly environment in our schools, efforts should be made to ensure that every child attends and stay in schools. But when we take the reality we come to the conclusion that hundreds of children are not attending school in our town. School must concentrate on ethics, the benefits of social services, and the importance of honesty during first phase (I-V class) of education. In Bhargain, child labour is not basic concerns but it is existing in one or the other way, many children are playing whole day but their parents are not aware about that How to manage this crisis. Especially among teenagers in the 14-18 age bracket who do not have access to education and continue to waste time in wasteful activities and ruin their future. All children should be encouraged to engage themselves in social service and to help their peoples, It is also essential to warn children of the dangers and evil consequences of corruption and crime. The education system must teach the individual rights of all people (civics), but must likewise emphasize the social responsibilities of people as well. The necessity of a fair balance of the rights and responsibilities of individuals within the society must be emphasized again and again. Most of ideas are based on actual, personal experience because I think the peoples of Bhargain are not aware about their rights and responsibilities for the town. Healthy education will definitely leads to minimize the evils of the society and will teach individuals regarding their rights duties and responsibility in any society. We should take it seriously and positively on it, “if you think about disaster, you will get it. Brood about death and you hasten your demise. Think positively and masterfully, with confidence and faith, and life becomes more secure, more fraught with action, richer in achievement and experience” (By Swami Vivekananda). For the success of a transparent, democratic system, it is most important to establish a well-functioning education system for all children. From an early age children must be taught ethics, honesty, and tolerance. They must be educated to genuinely admire those who suffer and die in the service of their people and town. All people should freely accept the high moral principle of society and develop the courage to defend them in case of need. When it is night, it is difficult to see what is what, who is who, where we are. Ignorance is due to darkness of illiteracy, means you do not know. But as soon as the sun of knowledge rises, everything revealed as it is. The supreme occupation of all humanity is to give light of knowledge, love, and co-operation to the people not to be contributed to the darkness of lust, greed, envy, pride, anger and illusion. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is the duty of each one of us first we purify our heart, if you do not have something, how can you give it to others? You can give what you have.
Asslamu Alaikum to all; Having discussed wonderful ideas,the problems,constraints,historical facts and figures ,successes and failures at length our role so far have been mainly philosophical, advisory ,criticising or appreciating only but now it the right time to finalise agenda for the social, educational,religious and political cause and modus operandi to formulate and implement it. We should also remember that people have not spared anyone on this earth out of bound of criticism and one should not feel discouraged by it even if it comes on his way.Even Anbiyas, Aulias, great people of the world all were subjected to criticism of the people due to their prejudices,arrogance,traditionalism,rivalry and race for superiority.Nevertheless; "Girte hain sahsawar hi maidane jung mein, woh tifl(child) kya girenge,jo ghutnon ke bal chalein." and then Himmate mardan ,to madade Khuda
Janab Capt. Abdul Latif Khan Assalamu Alaikum to you and all bhattis.
I thanks to you for giving lot up data on Bhargain's devlopment.
Your initiative is very good for requesting to retired persons to come back Bhargain, but I surprised to see your request only for few peoples. If you request to all the retired persons to come back Bhargain to serve the Bhargain than it will be good for Bhargain as well to you also. So I personally request you to take necessary action for this.
At last you have realised that criticism is necessary in all walks of life. I still remember when you initially got annoyed, but after a little bit of hiccup we all together gained momentum and look how far we have reached.
Better late than never. Now I don't want you to justify why and how you did.
Asslamu alaikum to all; Dear Iqbal you want to keep ourself away by putting this great responsibility upon retired persons ? With great difficulty you have come up now on listening that the job is being entrusted to retired persons.You are not one of them to be spared and with your management skills and experience you and Anis along with others like minded have really to do something for Bhargain. Dear Bhatti; Regarding criticism and appreciation here is great Ghazal from Rahat Indori for all of us; "Main phul hun, to phul ko guldan ho naseeb, Main aag hun ,to aag bujha deni chahiye. Main jabr hun ,to jabr ki tayeed band ho, Main sabr hun ,to mujh ko dua deni chahiye. Main Taj hun ,to Taj ko sar par sajayein log Main Khak hun to Khak Uda deni Chahiye . Sach baat kaun hai, jo sare aam kah sake, Main Kah raha hun, mujh ko saza deni chahiye.
So let us remain very honest in criticism and appreciation and Bhattis on this blog are quite intelligent and understand what we really mean over here.
We were discussing about the educational development of our town and wecame to the establishment of junior high school at KHERA.My brother Janab Abdul Latif Khan has given complete history from the begining to its end. Therefore no further comments on this topic. This junior high school became a source of of imparting education to both the boys and girls of our town at the time when the largest part of its population was living there. Now the largest part of its population is living in BARODA and it is pleasure that a school has also been established there. I pray the almighty to let it flourish in all respects. I have gone through the earlier discussions on Madarsa education which is the only source of religious education to maintain our seperate entity as Muslim. In the opinion Mr. Rauf Madarsa education is no education but contrary to his opinion I have firm belief that it is Madarsa education which has to sow the seeds of Islam at a age of chid hood to grow the crops of Muslims who bears the light of Iman in their heart throughout their life. The truth of this statement of mine can be verified by remembering the religious position of the people of our town who have never been to Madarsa. I read a statement of professor Salman Nadavi a professor of DURBON University of South Afrika who said that western syllabus of education has every thing except KHUDA The God. By removing God from the syllabus the relationship of teacher and student which was full of respect and love has lost some where. Teaching and learning on payment of money has turned into a business deal(Roznama Rashtriya Sahara Urdu-17.12.09 where student has no respect for the teachers and teacher has no affection for the student. A proposal of modernisation of Madarsa education is under consideration of our government which is being opposed by our Ulemas who doubt the government intention. according to the secretary of Jamate Islami Janab Aijaz Ahamad Aslam Sahib in his statement published on 14 th december,09 in Roznama Rashtriya Sahara, the intention of government regarding Madarsa education does not seem to be good. What the government and Ulemas think about it. It is their concern. we may wait for the result however it is not to be forgotten that Madarsa education is the back bone of imparting knowledge of Qran Majid without which our Islamic faith can not be Strengthened.
Janab Nurul sb maine kabhi nahi kaha ki Madarsa Education is not Education ......i just confirm one data from bhargain and baroda According to our source 3164 childeren in Bhargain in pre matrics Classes and only 1300+ children in Baroda in 2008-2009 session, so we can say that abhi bhi hum log Bhargain ko negelect nahi kar sakte......hamare pas abhi bhi work karne ke liye wahan space hai.....Please come at one stage and do needful.....i am strongly supporter that first u teach islamic education to yr children and after that come with modern Education but both should b planned. otherwise we will loose....
Shukriya for given data of students studying in Bhargain & Baroda. Here I want to ifnorm you about thinking of peoples for Bhargain. Last month I was travelling from Kaimganj to Mathura, during journey one child age about ten yrs told before Rudain whether Ballupur station passed than I questioned why you enquire about ballupur than he told here in Bhargain in exam teachers supporint in for NAKAL on payment basis, my sister/ brother came Bhargain for exam. This is immage of Bhargain.
In Baroda our many students are studying in higher standard / professional courses. So definetly quantity is less in Baroda but quality wise good.
Still I am not under stand how schools are running in Bhargain. In Bhargain no body running shcool for supporting education, all are running for money only. Many parents send their kids from Baroda and other parts only for exam & they passed also. So please think about quality of education in Bhargain.
My intension is to disclose picture of education in Bhargain, I do not want to hurt any one related to Bhargain.
Asslamu alaikum; Let us not hang ourself in past which we have discussed a lot and can be useful for "learning from our past experiences".However it is surprising that no one is coming up with solutions to the persistent problem.In my opinion We should finalise our plans for future course of actions and make all out efforts to implement it. For Example; (i) Under PM's 15 point programme for monorities there is scheme for improving educational standard in the minority dominated areas but for that society/trust is to be registered for at least 3 years period and should have a running school to qualify it for government grant. (ii)We can explore other ways and means also and I am very sure that Bhattis can contribute generously provided if we succeed in winning their confidence. So please let us come up now with solutions instead of listing mere problems. (iii)We should finalise a core committee comprising relatively senior and experienced memebers with mutual consent and discussion with the basic task of finalising further core executive committees(CEC's)/Non Government Organisations (NGO's).NGO's can be got registered for the cause of educational and social development, rules and regulations can be drafted and circulated over the blog and by post also for those who do not have internet facility. These are mere suggestions only and are not open to criticism.Somebody if he feels so may come up with better suggestions and his suggestions are most welcome.After recieving the suggestions from one and all within specified period of time we can finalise the best available solutions.
Asslamu alaikum; Following information has been provided by capt abdul Lateef on my request to him in addition to my article on Hafiz Morad that is; (i)Amongst the students of Hafiz Morad following names are also added which were left earlier inadvertently; Janab Hafiz Nasir Ahmed Janab Qazi Tayeb Ali Janab Hafiz Ghaffar Marhoom Hafiz Ali Daraz Khan (ii) The sequence of Masjid construction in Bhargain in descending order is as under ; (1) Jama Masjid,Beech Thok (Takiye wali masjid) (2) Masjid-e-Meeran Thok (3) Masjid-e-Garayya Thok (4) Masjid-e-Ahmed Thok (5) Masjid-e-Nathu Thok (6) Masjid-e-Hasan Thok (7) Masjid-e-Lal Bagh (8) Masjid-e-Jahani Thok (9) Masjid-e-Talahti,Ahmed Thok I request Janab Bhai Noorul Hasan Khan to post telephone No. over the blog.It was interesting and motivating to read your analysis and emphasis for religious education along with modern education.Regarding the views of Secretary of Jamat-e-Islami Hind Janab Aizaz Aslam the approach and analysis may be correct but we have to tell the Government exactly and in one clear unambiguous voice as what for we Muslims want to settle in the name of modernisation of Madarsas and nothing less than this is acceptable to us.It is unfortunate that we are divided over almost all the issues of development and welfare of Umm'a and people are taking undue advantage of our this weakness.One of the very prominent speaker compared the unity amongst Maulvis of various Maslaks as "weighing frogs in weighing Machine" that is if you put one inside other one will jump outside.So is happening regarding consensus among Maulvis for Modernisation of Madarsa educatin. Why cann't we agree on common issues like this still remains billion dollar question ?
I mentioned the names of Jb. Noorul,Jb. Israr and Jb. Idris for the simple reason that I know that the family liabilities of the above are over and can devote their time for a worthy social cause. Anyone with the intention of woorking for a social cause is always welcome.
Assalamualaikum Janab Iqbal sb and All, I already discussed with you in our previous meeting, I am Totally agree with you and we trying for change the image of Bhargain in terms of Education. But before it I would like to say that there is so important first we improve our Primary Education system after it Secondary and senior secondary levels bcoz our foundation is so weak………Mr Nurul Hasan sb was the president of our First Program “Social and Educational Summit 2009 in Bhargain but all teachers of primary section, All Contaractor of All Mohallas, All Politicians of our Town was against of it. Dear All, your Co-Opration is required to change the system of Education in Bhargain and image of it. I request to you all Please attend next summit and Disclose your Pitara of Ideas and do needful for our Lovely Town.
Dear freinds Assalamalaikum It is matter of appreciarion that we are worried about the quality education. so we must consider the reasons which are responsible for not increasing the quality education. 1- Willingness of the students The vital reason of lacking in specialized education is the lack of willingness of the students, who could not make up their mind to inter into a specialized field of education, either due to lack of guidance or due to parents pressure. Early marriages also play a deterent role. 2- Environment is a very important factor. If the students are surrounded by the evil elements of the society and persons of ill habits persons wasting their time in gosseps and so called entertainment tend to spoil their life. Remember Grashsm's Law which is no doubt applicable here. "Bad money tends to put good money out of circulation. Similerly students indulgd in bad habits tend to pit good students out of the way of achieving their goles. 3- Required facilites- facilites like availablity of colleges, liabraries, hostles and convance etc. are most essential. The entrance examanations are tough because there is cut throat competition everywhere. So coaching facility are much helpful & have become unavoidable. Admission in coaching Institutions is also difficult because of high merit of students seeking admission in famous coaching centre. Mr. Mohammed Aslam Khan wanted my contact no. I am giving it here- 9415920570, 05222451460. Noorul Hasan Khan, lko.
I am not agree with your top two points.but The last one is fact that everyone knows.
U mentioned that Early marriages play role..but sorry to say we inspired to do that..Can we not stop child marraige? That we dont want to do..We ignore those thing..Chalne do Jaisa Chal raha Hai.we dont bother @ it.Because We always take care our family and Childs.Dont bother @ others that is the mentality right now and it is truth.
And second one the Environment..in that to build our own career or for study of our child we leave that place which needs good environment.Now when u become literate person u never bother @ that environment.here also Jo chal raha hai Wo chalne do..we dont take care @ it.It is also truth..
Top two points reflact that we dont want to take extra responsibility.
Wishing happy new year to all of you, I have to continue a my yesterdays comments. The fourth point which is importent to didcuss is availibity of finance.
4. Financial constraints. Finance is a most powerful factor in every field of life. It is like blood for the body. sufficient supply of it makes smooth running and shortge of it put so strong impediments that even further movements become impossible. Though there are a few who over come these impediments with their strong will, labour dedication and humble and submissive nature which may be named as tolerence.
I feel it is unavoidable to recall a sher quoted by Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan in his comments dt. 27 th November,2009 on this blog, need not to re-write it here. I feel from the very inner heart that Quran Majid provides solutions for every problem. As we do not understand it so our attention also does not recall the solutions provided by our Holy Quran.
Innumerous times it have been repeated in Quran to establish NAMAZ and pay ZAKAT, which is the solution for the financial problems. I sincerely wish to abide by the Quran instead of being called as TARIK-E-QURAN. May the almighty bless us with Taufique of doing so. here again I have to recall the comment of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan that people of Bhargain may generously contribute to diminish the financial constraint. But there is a need that such persons who are honest enfluential and punctual to perform the social sevice should voluntarily come forward to form a team which may be trusted. We all believe in one GOD-THE CREATOR, one Quran- the guide to live a life abiding by the principles of holy Quran. Our beloved Rasool, Sallalahoalaiwassallam has given very clear instructions which are carefully saved for us by trustworthy BUZURGS. Hence we should no problem to come together and to perfom our social duties in that light.
I again come to the point of ZAKAT we should establish a "Baitul Mall" under the supervision of the Team and form such rules and regulations in the light of Quran and Hadis so that the benifit reach to every needy. Though there is need to further eleboration but the foremost is the Team. I invite most humbly to propose the names without prejudice.
Asslamu alaikum & may Allah bring happiness and prosperity to all of us in new year 2010; Thanks a lot to Bhai Noorul Hasan Khan and Capt Abdul Lateef Khan for posting their Telephone No. over the blog.I request others also to do the same if not done earlier. I was highly confused about Mohd Iqbal Khan Baroda and Bhargain and understand both as under; (1) Mohd Iqbal Khan s/o Late Khan Bahadur Khan,Garayya Thok,Bhargain the one who has introduced himself as from Baroda (2) Mohd Iqbal Khan s/o Late Mehndi Hasan Khan,Garayya Thok,Bhargain the one who has introduced himself as from Bhargain. If my perception is correct then it is OK else I may please be corrected so that we understand each other correctly. The idea of "Baitul Mall" by bhai Noorul Hasan Khan is marvellous and is worth implementation. for that an account is to be opened in the name of "Baitul Mall committee" and operated for social cause of poors and needies in Bhargain.
I m sorry par aaj mujhese raha nahi jata to keh raha hu. Aap log yahan beth kar kehte hai ke education failana hai to ese to nahi felega. Aap educational confrence karwate hai ke to kabhi aap ne ye socha hai ki bhesnhs means buffalo ke age been bajane se kuch nahi hota agar aap apne kasba e bhargain ko iilm means educational banana chate hai to ek esi committe banaye jo ek school jo RMS ho ya koi jo committee paise wali ho jo har saal har bache ka school ka karcha aur use salana wazifa bhi de to kuch ho sakta hai.aur aap kya samjte hai ke mr. anish sahab ne koi mehnat nahi ki bhargain sudharne me are ghadon hamara bhargain lalach matlab har kam ke piche apna ya apno ka mali matlab paison se faiyda chata hai humara goan aaj me jita hai kal mein nahin to Aur rooz roz aap yahan par comments likhte hai to us din aap kahan the jab ala hazarat confrence me molana nazwi ko estage par se english mein takrir karne se utara gaya tha aur wahan hum kuch nahin kar paye kyonki hum financial kamzor hain to ye sab hame ye batata hai ke paise se aap bhargain mein education, power, etc jaisi har cheez la sakte hai computer par dimag kharch karne se nahin sorry agar aap ko bura laga ho laga ho to contact karen 962436778 vadodara navayard.
asak, one thing i want to add here in the above comment that our people of bhargain are always ready to pay in police cases just we can say faltu kharche..but they always try to take banefit if they pay for social activity..Even i m chalanging that no one will ready to pay even 100 rs/month for social committe..
Question: As-Salaam `Alaykum... Is dancing prohibited in any case in Islam? (i.e. dancing with a group of people like bhangra, or by oneself, dancing with females) Thank you for your time. Jazakullah Khairan!
Name of Mufti Group of Muftis
Answer: Wa`alykum As-Salaamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear brother/sister in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on learning the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply.
Islam is a religion of moderation and does not approve of either extremism or negligence. Islam does not prevent people from having entertainment; however, it gives the rules that regulate this entertainment. On the other hand, Islam does not tolerate any kind entertainment that contains Haram or even lead to Haram things.
As far as the issue of dancing is concerned, it can be either between women, or between men, or mixed between both. If dancing happens between women, then it is allowed unless this involves showing any of woman’s `Awrah – that is between the navel and knee – in front of other women, or the dancing impedes carrying out mandatory obligations or coincides with unlawful acts.
n this regard, Dr. Su’ad Salih, professor of Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) at Al-Azhar University, states:
“Islam is a religion of moderation; it does not prevent singing and dancing, but it forbids anything that stimulates people’s desires, be it among men or women. Women are supposed to observe good manners if they get to dance before other women. They should not exceed limits by doing anything that stimulates the desire and incites evil. We have seen many women tempted by other women.
However, if a woman gets to dance before her husband, then there is no restriction, as it is a way of cementing relations between spouses – and this a key pillar of establishing the Muslim family.”
Dr. Salim Ahmad Salamah, Dean of the Faculty of Usulud-Deen at the Islamic University, Gaza, adds:
“It is permissible for women to dance and sing so long as there are no males around. In addition, the words of the song should be free from any foul words or vulgarity. Furthermore, no non-Muslim women should be attending, for the `Awrah of a Muslim woman before them is the same as in the case of a man. Thus, so long as the words of the song are pure and clean and there no males or non-Muslim women around, there is nothing wrong in dancing.”
By analogy, men are allowed to dance together as long as they cover their `Awrah (between the navel and knee) and there is no fear of temptation.
As for the mixed dancing between men and women, it is absolutely Haram in all cases, save for a wife dancing before her husband. The reason behind this prohibition is that with mixed dancing bodily contact is close and improper sexual desires arouse. This has been strictly forbidden by Islam in an attempt to block the way against evil. By letting men and women dance together, lots of Haram acts can happen. That is why mixed dancing is not allowed.
Another important point that should be stressed here is that in all cases where dancing is Halal music, if used, has to be also Halal. To know about the conditions of the permissibility of music, please refer to the following fatwa:
I am very much agree with Janab Noorul Hasan Khan's opinion for establish "Baitul MaLL". Today our mostly ZAKAT used in Islamic Education (for Madars education)only.
Here I want to inform to all the bhattis that two years back I with my other friends had discussed with many Muftis for whether we can use ZAKAT for modern education or not. After discussion with many muftis we did not satisfied & than lastly we met to one of biggest mufti of Gujarat and discussed on this issue. After long discussion on the issue with the help of Allah mufti sahab informed us that ZAKAT can be use for modern education with certain conditions. With this details I want to inform you that we can use ZAKAT for modern education also. I do not want to stop from help of madras. My opinion is give some share of ZAKAT for madras, some for needy perons and some share for modern eduction also.It is very difficult to give regularly help to needy person from lillah fund but because ZAKAT is compulsory on every muslim, this is not our fund, this is fumd of needy person for which Allah appoint us care taker of the that fund. If we think in this way than we can contribute without any problem to all needy persons.
So if we make a proper team under supervision of some good persons than it will help to stand up our village position in both way i.e. improve our eduction standard, help needy students for higher eduction and other needy persons.
Asslamu alaikum to all; Dear Janab Iqbal Bhai; You have raised the most sensitive issue of singing and dancing as Halal within defined restrictions but it is to be clarified properly to the readers over here without delay. (i) The scholars under reference have nowhere quoted the source of their information in the light of Quran and Hadith which are most authentic source of information to all Muslims and issue of Halal and Haram is to be guided under the knowledge of These Books or from Darul Iftah acceptable to Hanafi School of thought. (ii) It is also not clear whether these scholars are Muftis and competent to issue fatwas ? Having Islamic knowledge is one issue and even many non Muslims are great scholars on Islamic Studies but they are not competent to Issue fatwas.For example for the sake of information John F Esposito is the professor of Middle East Studies at College of Holy Cross and have authored many books on Islam including the “Islam/The Straight Path” published by Oxford University Press and is a very concise and brief book on Islam containing unbiased and neutral views by a non Muslim author.He has explained Baqa and Fana of Sufism and many other concepts which I could not get in Islamic texts at one place. I request the readers to go through this book to have a balanced view on Islam if it is available somewhere. (iii) It is also not clear whether the quoted scholars belong to Hanafi Scool of thought ? Because most of the people in Bhargain and in North India follow Imam Abu Hanifa Rahmutallah Alaih and are bound to obey His school of thought only.Though all the four Imams that is Imam abu Hanifa(RA),Imam Shafi’i(RA),Imam Malik(RA) and Imam Hanbal(RA) are correct but we all know that intermixing of Imams is not correct that is we cannot follow two Imams according to our convenience. (iv) Whether Zakat can be given for Modern Education leaving aside following issues ?Who is more Mustahiq for Zakat (right to claim Zakat) (a) If your nears and dears,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to nourish(feed),cloth and shelter themselves. (b) If your near and dear ones,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to get their treatment done properly. (c) If your nears and dears,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to get the marriage of their children done if they have reached to their puberty. You are, therefore, requested to please clarify this immediately in reference to above issues in the light of Holy Quran / Sunnah of prophet/Rightly guided caliphs/ Darul Iftah of Hanafi School of thought before people start dancing and singing in reference to the above quoted information and people start giving Zakat for Modern education leaving aside sensitive issues as mentioned at (iv) a,b,c above and one is held responsible for it on the day of judgement (Qayamat ke din).
I have given my Phone No. 05222451460 & Mobile- 9415920570. On 1 Jan, 2010. I was told that a call from you was received. On my Mobile a number 915812511087 was recorded. On this number I sveral time I tried to contact you but could not succeed.
Asslamu alaikum; Dear Janab Iqbal bhai; The clarification as requested earlier is yet to be posted from your side on the most sensitive issues like “ Permissibility of Singing and Dancing in Islam” and “Use of Zakat funds for modern education” without mentioning any thing about the fulfilment of basic needs of poors and needy persons as mentioned in Holy Quran. Let us raise complete issue of religious importance with Muftis and take comprehensive fatwas only before forming any opinion otherwise it will be very detrimental and misguiding for society and for the people of Bhargain in particular. We all know that No Mufti can issue a fatwa to use Zakat funds for the modern education keeping aside basic needs of the people who deserve for it like fooding,clothing,shelter,treatment of illness, marriages of children etc. If it is being used anywhere other than fulfilment of basic human needs then please seek comprehensive fatwa/clarification first from renowned Muftis of Hanafi school of thought otherwise it will be undoubtedly the misuse of funds of the people for whom it is meant in Holy Quran. Even for the purpose of religious education it is to be used for poor and needy children whose parents deserve for zakat and not for everyone. For modern education, let people contribute generously from their own savings and let it be used for this great purpose the way we want to use because it is not easy to maintain the Zakat according to the basic tenets of Quran and Sunnah of Prophet(PBUH).Let the Zakat funds be used for the purpose first as mentioned in Holy Quran/Sunnah of prophet(PBUH). Regarding issue of “ Permissibility of Singing and Dancing in Islam” the clarification may please be posted on the blog in the reference of my queries so that people are guided properly on this serious issue of religious importance before indulging in any Gunah.Please take it seriously and do not leave the matter unattended for confusion and misguidance.
Regarding my wreite up on" What is Halal & Haram" I infrom you that this article I have received from one of my friend who is in Dubai, he is high qualified and very much interested in Islamic knowledge, as I know him from last many years we can trust on him. So at present I can not clarify your doubts but I am trying to contact friend and as soon as I received feedback I will pass you. So presently I am very sorry.
Regarding use us ZAKAT please note by my write up I tried to convey to our sociedy that ZAKAT can be use for modern education also.
In concern your question that who has first right on ZAKAT ,here I want to clear that as per my knowledge and my thinking your needy nears & dears, neighbours having first right on ZAKAT. First of all your family members and relatives who required help for (1)medical expense (2) marriage of daughter (3) Eduction & than others. Here please note that ZAKAT can not be use for fixed assets.
It gives me a great sense of joy and feeling of accomplishment and elation to announce that the Govt. has approved the stoppage of two express trains at Ballupur station. I am being compelled to break my silence as something onground have been achieved by people of Bhargain. Congratulations for one and all for this remarkable success. This by any means is a remarkable achievement by the people of Bhargain. A new dawn will certainly bring light to the gloomy world of Bhargain and it is a step that will throw away all the miseries which has camouflaged the lives of people of Bhargain. I am extremely thankful for the people who have supported all the struggles and demonstrations which we did in drawing the attention of Govt. of India like our struggle in 2005.
The two express trains one which starts from Kasganj at 11:50 hrs and the other from Farrukhabad starting at 14:00 hrs will now stop at Ballupur.
We are indeed thankful and indebted to Dada, Ravindraji for his untiring and consistent efforts in bringing this New Year gift to the people of Bhargain.
A small function at Ballupur station was held and function was chaired by Shri Asish Bhatia Senior DCM, Izzat Nagar. I along with Dada, Ravindraji addressed the function and expressed our sincere thanks to the Indian Railways and all those who have worked very hard to achieve this remarkable Success. I would also like to mention few names that have been instrumental in this endeavour like Aale Nabi r/o Bhikan thok, Ishaq r/o Bhikan Thok, Ilyas r/o Bhikan thok, Ziledar r/o Bhikan thok, Haji Hanif r/o Bhadela thok, Nathhu Khan r/o Lal Baugh, Mohd. Shafi r/o Pubhaon etc.
One important thing I would like to mention is that this facility has been extended for three months on trial basis. Extension of the same will be on the sale of tickets in the trial period. So it is my sincere appeal to all the brethren to help in increasing sale of tickets.
Asslamu alaikum; Alhamdu lillah,this is really a milestone in the development history of Bhargain and added one more feather in the cap of the people whose untiring efforts has brought this great news for all of us. My congratulations to all those who have directly and indirectly contributed for this great cause. Nahin Ishq ka dard, Lazzat se khali, Jise zauq hai, woh maza janta hai. - Mir Taqi Mir
Congratulations!The news has the sweetness of honey, serenity of morning air and expectations of both young and old. Now a bigger challenge lies ahead for all of us to make Ballupur a permanent station. Let us explore ways in increasing sales. Let us not take this challenge by lying down. I have my own inhibitions and you may call me a pessimist as Sarvodaya Vidhyalaya once alloted to Bhargain was shifted somewhere else.
So be careful and start preparations for the onslaught.
Congrats to all of you!!! Specially to those who have really done some work for that. And i request to all of you to share your sources in Railway then we can help these guys in this work.
knowing that The stopage of Express Trains at Ballupur Halt has been approved by the Railway autorities, I feel highly grateful to all those who were striving to acheive this goal. I congratulate to those all who contributed in the struggle of getting the facility from the Railways. really it is a marvalous job.
Assalamulaikum all of you. While surfing through the net I came across this blog about bhargain. Well, I am indeed surprised and proud of the fact that we people also have a blog spot of our own. Congratulations and best of luck to the blogger who started this.
hi i m khan from the respectfull bhargain, i really distrub that when there is a uneducated chairman there was a lot of fingure those u r typing there fact wrights and now when there is educated chairman all are be affraid about or anything else i can't understand about bhattis politics.
hope god may bless my bhargain from this graduate uneducated crocodiles
The ultimate,renowned and world famous Aligarh Muslim university is even not left untouched by politics.
ReplyDeleteDear Bhattis,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalikum,
It makes me proud that the Blog is slowly and steadily making progess.Everbody seems to be more interested in my identity. My hidden identity is certainly going to help the greater cause that is the cause of upliftment of Bhargain.I want that some of the persons who have not responded to the Blog must write at least something. They are Major Javed, Guddu son of Israr Khan, Dr Quamrul, Zakir and Shakeel, Shakeel (Tanatan Sunni). Their language may not be english but hindi dialect in English is always welcome. Thus Let me have the privilege of closing this topic and initiating a new one i.e 'Are Politics and Education are same sides of the coin?.
Thanks for the support.
Keep writing.
Allah Hafiz
Correction:
ReplyDeleteAre Politics and Education two different sides of the same coin.
New topic is welcome on this blog.
ReplyDeleteThe topic requires analysis and assessment based on following parameters to arrive at the conclusive remark;
(i) Politics in Education :
(a) Helps to build infrastructure for education system
(b) Undesirable and dangerous in imparting quality Education
(c) helps in providing employment and job opportunities , an essential feature to promote quality education
(ii) Education in Politics : Not essential feature but desirable and preferable.
(iii) Politics without Education : Possible but undesirable. It is directly or indirectly responsible for deterioration in politics .
(iv) Education without politics : Possible but Quality Education becomes static phenomena
So politics and education are two separate fields, sometime dependent on each other to some extent for their proper growth but not wholly dependent on each other .Sometime intermixing of politics with education system is dangerous and therefore, cannot be treated as the two sides of the same coin.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteNew topic is welcome on this blog.
The topic requires analysis and assessment based on following parameters to arrive at the conclusive remark;
(i) Politics in Education :
(a) Helps to build infrastructure for education
(b) Undesirable and dangerous in imparting quality Education
(c) helps in providing employment and job opportunities , an essential feature to promote quality education
(ii) Education in Politics : Not essential but desirable and preferable.
(iii) Politics without Education : Possible but undesirable. It is directly or indirectly responsible for deterioration in politics .
(iv) Education without politics : Possible but Quality Education becomes static phenomena
So politics and education are two separate fields, sometime dependent on each other to some extent for their proper growth but not wholly dependent on each other .Sometime intermixing of politics with education system is dangerous and therefore, cannot be treated as the two sides of the same coin.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Kindly go through this article
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In his failure sprouted a faint flicker of hope. With the years, the hope became a dream. And the dream has not only come true for him but for many who dared not dream big.
Meet young mathematician Anand Kumar from Chandpur Bela, Patna, whose dream of pursuing higher studies at Cambridge University was terminated by financial difficulties, despite an offer from the top British institution. Having come a long way since, a gritty Kumar today is the proud brain behind Super 30, the free IIT coaching centre for talented poor students in Patna which has been hitting the national headlines two years in a row for its 100 per cent success rate. But this 36-year-old would rather tell his sad story first.
“I knocked at many doors in 1994-95 seeking sponsorship to study at Cambridge. I sought help from the then Bihar Government, visited newspaper offices in Delhi too. Though The Hindu published a story on me, nothing came of it,” recalls Kumar, flashing a gentle smile and a pair of twinkling eyes.
Tuitions
Kumar had to swallow his frustration and accept his reality.
“I wish there was Internet then, my plea would have got a wider audience,” he says. Being a brilliant student of mathematics, he thought of making a living giving tuitions.
“I began to coach local IIT aspirants by starting my Ramanujam School of Mathematics.” Kumar lost his father long ago and his mother ran a small business of homemade papad to put food on the table.
Kumar, who stopped over at Delhi the other day on his way back from Bangalore where he presented a research paper on mathematics, continues to rewind. “The institute was doing all right, and I was beginning to accept the reality that my life would end this way.”
Turning point
But then everything changed. He explains how: “It was in early 2000, a poor student came to me seeking coaching for IIT-JEE. He said, ‘I can’t afford the full fee. I will give you Rs.1500 now and after my father sells his crop of potatoes six months later, I can give you another Rs.500.’ I reeled back to my days of frustration and thought hard. I wanted to make a difference.”
It led him to start Super 30, a free residential IIT coaching centre for financially weak students. “After a test, I picked 30 students who had it in them to make it to the IIT. I offered them free boarding and lodging. But it was not easy.” Needing help, he called back his brother who by then had gone to Mumbai seeking work; his mother offered to cook for the boarders; he roped in two teachers to help and took a place on rent.
PART-II
ReplyDeleteIn the first year, 18 students made it to different IITs. And since 2008, all 30 have been successful. With such sparkling results, one is tempted to call him Midas, but back home, he says, “I am still called the papad wallah bhaiya because for about three years I used to go door to door selling my mother’s papads.”
Kumar’s success attracted offers from rich businessmen. “But I refused. I want to state that one can make a difference without big money. The fee I earned from Ramanujam Institute is enough.”
Coaching mafia
It also attracted the wrath of the local coaching mafia, and a staff member was stabbed one day. “I have security guards now.” But he is steadfast. “Because I am convinced that right coaching can make a huge difference to poor students. So far, 182 students out of 210 have made it to the IIT through us. Imagine what difference they will bring to their families. The rest also made it to other good institutions.”
Reacting to Union HRD Minister Kapil Sibal’s idea of scrapping the IIT entrance examination, he says, “He should rather think of cutting down the lofty standard of questions in the entrance. They are for research scholars, not for class 12 students.”
Opening Super 30 to poor students from outside Bihar, Kumar has expanded the number of seats to 60 from this year. “We had an all-India test but could pick only 45.” There are two reasons. One is that good students from poor families often drop out before completing class 12. “The other reason is, even though we managed to get a few more than 45 this time, they opted out because their families feel Bihar is not a safe place to be.”
KUMAR KARMA
* Anand Kumar has published various articles and research papers on mathematics in well-known international journals like The Mathematical Gazette, The Mathematical Spectrum and Parabola Australia.
* He has delivered talks on the Super 30 model at various institutes like IIM, Ahmedabad, and business forums like the CII.
* Discovery channel made a film on Super 30 early this year. The film made on his institute by ORTV, London, last year went on to win the Audience Choice Award at the IFFLA, USA.
* During the making of “Rang De Basanti”, Bollywood star Aamir Khan made a short film on Kumar’s work which featured in the film’s special show “Rang De Basanti Salam”.
* Japan’s NHK channel made a film on how Super 30 is contributing to the socio-economic change in India.
truly an inspiring story
ReplyDeletePolitics in education or education in politics sounds confusing. Both are equally important and should exist independently.
ReplyDeleteASAK,
ReplyDeleteReally Very motivational story.....
Regards
Assalawalaikum..to all
ReplyDeleteDear bhatti,
Today you ask any student what he would like to become when he grows up… most of them one will come up with an answer of an Engineer, Doctor, Lawyer, IAS officer, cricketer etc, the known professions. Have you heard any one telling you that he would like to become a politician? The answer mostly is “NO”.
So politics just happens?. No one aspires for it?
So do we agree that politics happens either by chance or for those people who could not turn themselves into any officers? I tend to disagree. Just because you studied and educated your self doesn’t mean you can appreciate people’s problems. Politician works for the people, he represents people so he need not be highly educated to understand what they want. If he is educated enough to carry their problems through, put them to the right forums and work towards resolving them he can be a good politician. A good politician not necessarily should have high academic credentials to back with… yes education does bring lots of social awareness and logical approach to problem resolution but when it comes to a democratic country like ours where we have high diversity, the approach is slightly different. You need to talk people’s language to be their leader and that your education most likely doesn’t teach you.
Ultimately u can never say that politics and education are two different sides of same coin.
Allah hafiz,
Regards,
Anishahmed Pathan.(s/o Jabbar Khan.(ongc))
Design engineer.
Vadodara.
Dear Anish/Anis
ReplyDeleteThis is for the first time I have came to know about you.Tell us something more about you. Your views on the subject are frank and politically straight.You are chhupe rustom indeed .
Thanks for the views.
Allah Hafiz.
correction
ReplyDeleteThis is for the first time I have come to know about you.
Dear Anish,
ReplyDeletecan you throw some light how a politician's son aspires to become a politician.may be some exceptions.
It will be better on our part if we discuss the issue vis-a-vis Bhargain otherwise the discussion will be endless
ReplyDeletewhy there is a lull? Thandi badhmne ke sath blog main bhi thandak a gayi hai. Aghiana jalao.
ReplyDeleteथिस इस टेस्ट.
ReplyDeleteठंडी बढ़ने के साथ ब्लॉग भी ठंडा हो गया है. अघियाना जलाओ.
ReplyDeleteमैं चाहता हूँ की लोग इसे हिंदी मैं भी पढ़ें . क्या राजनीती और शिक्षा एक ही सिक्के के दो पहलु हैं. अपनी राय बताएं.
ReplyDeleteज़रा इसे भार्गैन के पहलू से देखें.
ReplyDeleteभर गैन
ReplyDeleteyes u r right ...thandi badne ke sath blog bhi thanda ho gaya hai..
ReplyDeleteJaha tak bhargain ke pehlu se dekhne ka saval hai..i dont have an idea @ its politics..but as far as education is concern..bhargain ke jo log yaha baroda ya kisi aur city me rehte hai.. wo log apne baccho ko atleast thoda bahot education de pate hai..lekin jo bhargain me hi rehte hai..wo log itni care nahi lete..abhi ke trend me humari next generation education ko lekar bahot serious nahi hai isliye kafi bacche yaha higher education nahi kar pate sirf 12th ya jyada se jyada graduation kar ke chod dete hai.Iska ek reason ye bhi hai unhe proper guidance nahi milta.aur dusra unke valid bhi ye jaroory nahi samjte..just because wo itna nahi padhe nahi hote .aur wo bhi sochte hai ki baccha jaldi se unke dhande me set ho jaye.ye mentality next generation ko aage badhne me rukavat paida karti hai..jo nahi hona chahiye..
Allah hafiz,
mai bhi bhatti hoon itna kafi nahi???
Salam to everybody.
ReplyDeletethis is for the first time that i m participating in this blog.
myself is rizwan ali, did LL.B. from AMUand now doing MBA from Gr. noida.
as far as the comment made by anis sb. is concerned "people of bhargain have no interest in the education", i m of the opinion that there is one another reason, that is educated children of bhargain have not contributed enough in bhargain whether it is their family or society.educated person does'nt want to talk them or show interest in them.
there is no physical evidence to contravene what i said. if u have, plz reply.
as far as education and politics is concerned i believe that education plays an important role in politics. a good politician is that who know what is required for the development and what is provided by the govt.it is something that only an educated person can take care of.
whether we can expect from chairman sir that he knows his people better. he knows only how to catch the eye of voters but he doesn't know what govt is doing for minorities.
it is the bakhshi who tell him everything, an educated one, and who decides what is to be done.
so there is much differnce b/w the politics done by an educated and non- educated person.
but politics in education is not require as it may destroy the whole system of education.
for example, education in bhargain, it is bcoz of the politics of some people that whole education of our town has been damaged.
the hon. mulayam singh govt decision of the self centre in board exam has decreased the system of education in our state.
so my opinion is that education is essentially required in politics but politics should be kept from education.
sorry there is some correction to be done in the last sentence. it is:
ReplyDeletemy opinion is that education is essentially required in politics but politics ahould be kept away from education.
ASAK,
ReplyDeleteDear Anis & Rizwan sb,
I know u both, ypur comments are really very valuable for Bhargain but Please look on the parameters decide by Janab Aslam Sb. then reply or write
Dear Aslam Sb ASAK,
ReplyDeleteDue to some technical problem i have lost my total data from my personal computer, i am again prepairing same plan and hope i will send u very soon inshallah at your personal ID.
Reagards
Rauf A Khan
Asslamu alaikum to all of you;
ReplyDeleteHere is general assessment on conflict and conveniences of Education system with politics and answer to Bhargain education and politics lies in it.
Development and sustenance of Education System in India in prevailing political environment::
(1) Jaan kar minjumla-e-khasan- e-maikhane mujhe,
Muddaton roya karenge ,jaamo paimana mujhe
-Jigar Moradabadi
These lines may also fall short for a fitting tribute to the founder of Mohammedan Anglo Oriental College at Aligarh in 1877 which was later upgraded to full fledged Aligarh Muslim University in 1920,Sir Syed Ahmed Khan,the greatest visionary and Educationist of this sub-continent. He did this great job in spite of adverse political atmosphere in the country charged against Muslims and stiff resistance from the Ulemas of our own community.The Britishers were convinced after the first war of Indian Independence in 1857 that Muslims in particular were responsible for this war and now it was their turn to take revenge from the community. Thousands of Muslims were executed who raised voice against Britishers and there was complete collapse of political,educational and military power of muslims. Under these circumstances, it was a Herculean task for anyone to take up the cause of Muslims on such a large scale. Sir Syed had seen the fall of Mughal empire and humiliation of community with his own eyes and was aggrieved with the political turmoil in the country.He was motivated for this great cause to save the community from further humiliation and was fully convinced that further humiliation can be avoided only by providing the modern education to Muslims and thereafter dedicated his whole life for this great cause and the result is before us.This great university had remained politically active along with excellence in academics and produced some great leaders before and after independence .Thus AMU has not only survived against the odds and evens of politics and time well in spite of its being at the centre of political system and politicians but also progressed well.
(2) Educational Institutes like ,IIT’s/IIM’s established much later in the sixties and thereafter have remained politically least affected except their dependency on govt for funds requirement and have excelled well with time and attained undisputedly first position in the country in academics. The syllabus being taught over there meets national /international standards and everybody knows that passouts from these institutes are in hot demand and are hired by national/international companies within no time at the earliest opportunity. This is an example where Academic Institutes have performed at par excellence and survived without any political interference except the fund requirements.
(3) On the other hand Madarsa Education system though remained politically least affected has proved most static system due to lack of proper funding and age old syllabus falling short of Modern Education system . The teachers being paid over here are getting even less than the wages of labour and not enough to support their livelihood . It is big question as why Urdu,Arabic Persian cannot be taught as a subject in these schools like university subject so as to make the syllabus more meaningfull and useful.Muslim society by and large is funding these schools and the passouts from these schools hardly get any job due to non-recognition of these courses by government obviously due to limited applicability of these subjects. If the education system in these Madarsas can be reoriented and if students can join Modern education stream laterally at University level and can compete with others as did one of the student from Nadwat ul Uloom,Lucknow who qualified IAS and Mr Amir Subhani ,though University graduate ,topped the list of IAS aspirant in 1991 with its subject as Persian,Arabic and Urdu . The proposal being floated by Ministry of Human Resource Development to establish Madarsa Board appears politically a positive step towards Modernisation of Madarsa Education system but it is already at the centre of controversy. As usual we are not ready to accept the change in our conventional Education system and want to continue with 1000 year old system. Unfortunately the decisions lies with the people who hardly understands intricacies of the our society and need for Modern Education system. Here Political system wants to help us out of this impasse but we are not ready to accept it.
ReplyDelete(4) It is also noteworthy as how political decisions on Education system like reservation in Educational Institutes has helped the cause of SC/ST’s and OBC’s and the literacy rate and job share has improved tremendously among these castes after independence and how the geo political factors like marginalisation of Urdu language has affected the Muslims in literacy rate as well as job share who were not much behind in literacy and job share before partition. We all know that once Govt’s policy to recruit Urdu translator in state govt offices in UP had provided job opportunity to so many persons with their qualification in Urdu language and even so many non muslims were seeking degree in Urdu to get the job.So political decisions and policy matters plays a vital role in improving the education standard specially in socially and educationally backward areas and communities.
(5) Politics by people with and without education has already been discussed enough and need not to be repeated again.Actually public is searching badly the breed of politician whether literate or illiterate who can understand their language. Politician of all categories except few now a days have exploited the weaknesses of the people rather than understanding their language of heart and serve them better.
From the above it is clear that politics can play a vital role to bring balance in education system and to provide equal opportunities to educationally deprived areas and castes by way of Government policies .The students from Primary pathshalas and Madarsas will always find it more difficult to compete with convent educated students and therefore it is essential to safeguard the interest of them to start with. Once the people at the helm of affairs are wise enough to manage the system then Education system can perform and survive even without political interference as is the case with IIT’s/IIM’s but funding of these institute has to continue so as the quality education remains economically viable. Therefore Politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand may prove most effective.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
Mr. Rauf should not guide people in such a way that they lose sight of the main issue. It is unfortunate that on the other side he was not clear in his exressions in the earlier Blog interalia " Kya hamara Chairman Mohd. Nafees 'Kalia' ka chairman elect hona faidemand ya nuksandai hai ". May be due to obvious reasons.
So Let them right independently. The views should not influenced by anyone. This is the right forum where one can write freely and the expressed views should be without any prejudice.
Rizwan and Anish I appreciate your boldness.keep writing.
Therefore politics and education though helping each other in their mutual growth but are not fully dependent on each other and definitely can survive without each other .Therefore the two cannot be treated as two sides of same coin which means to me that one becomes irrelevant without the other.
ReplyDeleteMohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
AMU and others are big -big case studies and others are not relevant to Bhargain.This is all totally a different case study and is incamparable.Even the Madarsa system is not applicable to Bhargain. It is synonymous with no education or lack of eduction system.
ReplyDeleteAsslamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeletePersonal views may differ but people 's comments are always welcome over the article.Bhargain is also a part of bigger political and education system of this country and whatever is relevant for the country is also relevant for Bhargain as well.Moreover the article is the part of information network and need not necessarily be guided by anyone's personal views.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Exactly ! Inspite of being a part of the Country , we have failed but others have flourished and prospered.The bigger question is why ????????
ReplyDeleteAlhamdu Lillahi-Rabbi-Aalameen,
ReplyDeleteDear All Asak,
ILM and learning are not the family property of an individual or the heritage of a particular community. But when we study of a community with reference to its status and achievements we find that the community which gave due importance to education rose to the highest status.
ILM whether related to the religion or the world determines a particular direction. Mostly Muslims are preoccupied with present and they believe in the hereafter and the life after death but Bhatti…..??? Now we are discussing that, who is responsible for this Condition of our Bhatti community?
At present Peoples of Bhargain passing through a very trying time with our town problems and miseries which are many folds. At some places of our region, the survival and existence of Muslims have become doubtful but we are one of the most rapidly developing town in our region. You can discuss the reasons responsible for our present condition but you can not debate endless on whether it is correct or not. Our present miserable and pathetic condition is a fact and you have to accept the fact. It is not wise to close eyes. One of my friends Haji Shahnawaz (He is in Saudi Arabia for Haj…Allah unka haj Kubool kare, AAMIN!!!), Sends me a SMS that “Argument is bad but discussion is good, why? Because Argument is to find out “WHO” is right or wrong and discussion is to find out “WHAT” is right or wrong”. In my opinion, if we find out what is right or wrong instead of who is right or wrong then we can diagnose the disease and find out the Solution of the problem.
After 1990, community experienced a new wave of life when BSA was established but failed due to some reasons I think it became a political front. (It was first ray of hope) when they were discussing about the future of community & town and doing many activity in various field like Health, Education and many administrative work, meanwhile they managed to open a Inter college as first social work for the community as far as I am concerned I am personally not satisfy about college’s result so far for our town. But in 1995 another BSA found in Baroda and they proved itself and doing well, second association was not a political front so it survive for education cause In our town there is blind race for power and everybody wants to become a Political leader of town no body is interested in giving their services to our people and become Social leader, many reasons are always put forward for the weakness, backwardness and desperate condition of the Bhatti by those self made leaders. My experience loudly says that the only reason for the miseries face by bhatti’s is their misunderstanding and ignorance regarding education.
(Continue)When we refer, the progress, development and prosperity of others we pay salute to their educational standards and achievements. We believe that the key to their success is their higher educational standards. No need to say if we prosper in the field of education, we will be able to remove our political miseries within a short span of time. If we are educated we will continuously march ahead on the path of development and progress in each field. Generally we all have experienced that while discussing or talking regarding our community we come across with many problems and we need them to be solved but in fact we try to improve the standard of our children and not for the whole community and we never give our helping hand to the deserted and poor bhatti’s childrens..
ReplyDeleteIn view of present scenario, if the peoples of our town as bhargain (Come with a single identity leave puwao & sheikhpura, Mohallebazi and khandaanbazi) embark on the mission of educational development and decide that a single individual belonging to their community will not remain illiterate and uneducated, believe me, within 10-15 years you will witness all round and remarkable rise and progress in all sphere of life. The Bhatti will achieve success, prosperity, strength and balance. We will emerge in to an era of self reliance, respect and dignity.
In these pathetic and miserable circumstances, each individual of the bhatti community has to play a constructive role with sincerity, on his level. Only after that we can dream of our coming generations living with dignity, and lead others. I would like to close with these words….
Kis ko Qaatil main Kahoon Kis ko Masiha samjhoon
Sab yahan dost hi baithe hai kise kya samjhoon…..
Wo bhi kya din the ke har waham yaqeen hota tha
Ab haqiqat nazar aayi to use kya samjhoon……
Dil jo toota to kai haath dua ko uthe
Aise mahoul me ab kisko paraya samjhoon….
Zulm yeh hai ki yaqta teri begana rawi
Lutf yeh hai ki main ab tak tujhe apna samjhoon….(Unknown)
Agar koi galti ho to maaf karna ……
Wa akhir-o-dawana-Anil hamdu Lillahi-Rabbi-Aalameen
Dear All ASAK,
ReplyDeleteWait Mr. bhatti at last i will give you the exact answer of it and plz remember Madarsa is too important for every Muslim. And i am still saying that plz visit bhargain then we will have elaborate discussion on it.
Regards
Abdur Rahman Khan
New Delhi
+91-9953000466
Dear all ASAK,
ReplyDeleteAs rauf bhai said earlier that there is lot of hinderence over there like muhallebazi..it is very dangerous for any developement in the village.This is something like right now MR thakre do in the state of maharashtra.It is too bad for the developement in the country.First of all v have to be unite as a human being.Just focus on the village not for muhalla.
AH
Asslamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteLet us remain thankful and grateful to Allah, The Rab of whole universe.
It is not truth and will be a Na-shuki to the Allah Subahanhu Ta’ala if we say and agree that others have progressed and Bhattis are left behind. I think Bhattis have also flourished and prospered well and blessed with plenty of money in last 25 years ( so many bhattas , businesses and so many vehicles etc) and it is exactly what our people have aspired and wished and Allah has blessed them with what they aspired and wished. Some of us who have pursued education have been blessed with education as well and now we find quite a few Engineering ,Medical and management graduates from Bhargain, may it not be enough but it is very much there.So let us not blame others for our own deeds/mis-deeds and remain thankful to Almighty, Allah Subahanhu Ta’ala for what He has gifted us and definitely according to our wishes (niats);
Regarding Madarsa education system, some of the people have fallen prey to the propaganda of west and RSS against it and I feel pity about them and their ignorance about the system.It is the education system flooded with infrastructure facilities like man, material and manpower ( lands and buildings ,funds , voluntary teachers etc ) and can be streamlined and exploited to the best advantage of community with minimum efforts and resources including the places like Bhargain with slight changes in Syllabus with mutual consent and counselling . It does not mean that we should not open new Schools/colleges with modern Education system but the movement must include to exploit the potential of these available resources also. The contribution of these Madarsas to the community cannot be underestimated in last 100 years and some of the great leaders and freedom fighters of the country have been from these Madarsa . Degrees awarded by some of these Madarsa are recognized by Universities like AMU,Aligarh Jamia Millia Islamia and Jamia Hamdard ,Delhi for higher studies and some of the Madarsa passouts are seeking admissions also for higher studies in these Universities.
The contribution of Ulemas in Education system under the great leadership of Marhoom Maulana Ali Mian Nadwi , a world renowned personality on Islamic studies who pioneered and helped to establish Integral University at Lucknow to teach Modern subjects,like Medical,Engg and management courses with Chancellor of University and Management in the hand of Ulemas, cannot be under estimated .They have helped the Minority community in their own way, a great service to the community and nation both.
Further comments for the well being of Bhatti’s as a whole are welcome on this blog and should not be discouraged by anyone directly or indirectly .We must stop finding faults with others and rather must see as what good they can contribute for the people of Bhargain . Rather we should encourage the people who are inclined to do something great for the community in whatever way, may it be through education, through neat politics, through social reforms, or calling people towards religion, rising above the petty politics of mohallas ,hatred, jealousy, arrogance,etc.
Khuda Hafiz'
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteit is added that from 1974-1978 when I was students in Raja ka Rampur we had seen so many bhattis going to Rampur for Mazdoori and people used to laugh upon us.Now people are not available in Bhargain and now we are engaging hundreds and thousands of labour from nearby villages.We have turned from a herd of labourers to prosperous employers in a short span of 30-35 years.So let us not be ungrateful to Allah by saying that we have not prospered .However now we can concentrate ourselves towards education in time to come counsel the people and we will see Insha allah revolution in the field of education also.
Khuda Hafiz
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeletecan any one of the fellow Bhattis throw light upon life and contribution of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi,Shah Waliullah Dehlvi,Syed Ahmed Barelvi,Maulana Qasim Nanautvi,Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali,Allama Shibli Nomani,Allama Hamiduddin Farahi,Sheikh ul Hind Maulana Mehmoodul Hasan,Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani and Maulana Ali Mian Nadwi ? It will make the contribution of Madarsa Education more clear to some of the fellow Bhattis in last 200 years and its necessity to continue.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteDear Aslam sb, i am agree with you and i also think that only madarasa education system can help in this situation because last time i visit to Makataba islamiyan Beach thock and discuss some issues with Janab Hafiz Akhtar Sb and Janab Shah Ali Sb (fortunately Both are my friend)but they was really very busy with other works like Scholarship, management and other issues. i told them please come in front and break the record of syed sb.......so i think there is some requirements of improvement in this system. I think management is also not working in proper manner......in my personal view.
Regards
Rauf A Khan
9725946946
प्यारे भाईयो
ReplyDeleteअस्सलाम आलयकुम,
हम लोग मदरसा सिस्टम की तरफ ज़्यादा तवज्जो दे रहे हैं जो की हमारी सरकार भी आज़ादी के 63 सालो तक मुसलमानों को बेवकूफ बनाती रही है. मैं यह नहीं कह रह हूँ की मदरसे की हमें ज़रूरत नहीं है. भर गेन के व्यू से मदरसा दीनी तालीम के लिए ज़रूरी है और दुनियावी तालीम अलग होनी चाहिए. हमारे मदरसे सिस्टम मैं ट्रॅन्स्फर्मेशन की ज़रूरत है और हम मदरसे के नाम पर रट्टू तोते पैदा कर रहे हैं. जनाब असलम साहब ने जो नाम बताए हैं वो सब देवबंद से ताल्लुक रखते हैं. आज हम सबको मालूम है भर गेन मैं पैसे बढ़ने के साथ , शराबियों की तादात बढ़ी, गरीब की आवाज़ कम ज़ोर हुई है, अल्लाह का डर कम हुआ है, लड़कियों की इज़्ज़त मैं कमी आई है, मॉरल वॅल्यूस कम हुई हैं, झूट और फरेब बढ़ा है और आदमी ज़्यादा परेशान है.
Dear all,
ReplyDeleteASAK,
Bhatti sab ,
Ye nahi ho sakta ke madarse me dini talim ke sath dunyavi talim bhi honi chahiye i think humare madrse me wo nahi ho raha hai abhi..these both must be do parallely..
Allah hafiz
Assalamoalikum……
ReplyDeleteDear all….
As regards to the topic and specially in context of bhargain, I agree that politics is responsible for the deterioration of the education system in our town, but at the same time I believe that we need the help of political system to arrest the demise of educational system and to steer it towards progressive education. I do believe that politics and education are not totally dependent on each other. But they do have an umbilical connection. We cannot just have a bad political system existing along with good education system and vice-versa. Bad education system leads to bad politics and similarly bad politics leads to bad education system. This holds true other way round also. I agree to what has been said earlier that politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand can prove to be most effective.
The need of the hour is to cleanse both, the educational system as well as political system.
I am tempted to ask some questions to everyone out here.
ReplyDelete1.How many of us have sent our children to madarsas for formal education. and if not then why??????
2.How many among us will send his/her children to Madarasa's for formal education in near future. and if yes then why?
3.Also please name the Madrasa's
Dear Mr. Bhatti...
ReplyDeletecan u plz guide about writing blog in hindi???
I know few people who have studied in madrasa’s and have risen to very high positions in society. But one question troubles me more that if that system of education is so good then why these successful men have not sent their children to the same system.
ReplyDeleteAsslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteThe contribution of these great ulemas for the society in the field of modern education,philosophy and in the field of freedom struggle should have been studied before making the remark.For example Maulana Rumi was most widely read poet in USA in 1997 for his philosophical poetry and was a disciple of famous Sufi saint Shams Tabrej.Shah Waliullah Dehlvi led foundation to counter rise of Britishers against Mughal empire and syed Ahmed Barelvi fought battle along withhis supporters with Maharaja Ranjit Singh who had captured muslim dominated areas and defeated him at the battle of Bagalkot in NW front now in Pakistan.Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali and Allama Shibli Nomani were close freind of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and were associated with him in establishment of MAO College Aligarh.These Ulemas have nothing to do with Deoband school of thought and you have unnecessarily diverted the issue and have belittled the contribution of these great Ulemas.Regarding Maulana Qasim Nanotvi,Moulana Mehmoodul Hasan and Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani Whatever may be their religious mindset but please read their contribution in freedom struggle for this country.Earlier also I advised that one has to study well before making any comment and please be rationale and honest in your appraoach.
Regarding deterioration in society and people of Bhargain, nobody is responsible except our weak faith in religion and religious values and only religion can play vital role to remove the evils prevalent in society. Don't you think that these evils and the bad habits as enumerated by Mr Bhatti are not there in so called educated people? All of us aware that they are even worst even in so called educated and civilised society.Yes they are not there in the people practicing religion in word and spirit which I emphasised in the beginning itself.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Regarding Madarsa System of Education all of us are educating our children with the Taalim of Quran and Hadith either by sending to madarsa or engaging Moulvi at our houses due to time constraint and those of us who are not doing due to some constraints ,repent throughtout life.So whether you send to madarsas or arrange it at your house it is the education being taught at madarsas which is important and matters for all of us.Many people are sending their children towards madarsa education upto primary level and thereafter joining mainstream and these students are performing as good as anyone.Now here the vital question is availability of education system easily available in Muslim dominated areas which is by and large Madarsa education and should therefore be exploited to its full capacity and which our society and people of Bhargain can easily afford and should undoubtedly afford modern education wherever they can. But regarding modern education everyone of us cannot afford it either due to financial constraints or due to lack of facility available or due to lack of importance assigned to it so far. At present most of the People of Bhargain are suffering from all the three deficiencies.Therefore in the present circumstances the importance of Madarsa Education cannot be underestimated for Muslims and for the people of Bhargain from any angle, any time and in any circumstances.Regarding sending children to Madasas one should not forget that Madarsa Education is be exploited wherever necessary and should not be a laughing matter.Further answer to the question "as why we are not sending our children to Madarsas", lies as why all of us not sending our children to the best available English schools of our city/country and why are we settling for whatever is affordable and easily available in nearby locality.So the constraints are the same and wherever opportunity is there,Madarsa education is being availed at the earliest opportunity.Since Madarsa education is easily available to the children which otherwise would have been left illiterate.So one has to choose between madarsa education or no education for these section of people.But for those who can afford it ,the combination of both has proved as the ideal education system and have been repeatedly emphasised in my article here even in Madarsa education.So Madarsa education system stands tall and most important for our society and cannot be ignored or underestimated due to its inherent emphasis on Islamic values and beliefs.
ReplyDeleteHere are meaning from Quran Ayats which may make you to understand better the importance of Islamic studies that is Allah says;
"Mere nazdiq aap logon mein bada woh hai, jo taqwe mein bada hai" .So if you are searching anything else to become great other than Taqwa (islamic way of life) then be sure you may not be great in the eyes of Allah.
Without proper Islamic knowledge and practice there is higher probability that you may be drawn more towards Materialistic values and Madarsa education provides an opportunity towards knowledge and practice of Islamic values and beliefs and may prove an asset for all of us in this world and hereafter.
Khuda Hafiz
Mohd Aslam khan
Bareilly
Barelly
Asslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteI want to know your views straight on following issues?
(i) Are we not exposing our children to Madarsa education?If not then why and if yes then why don't accept it and why so much hue and cry for it?
(ii)How the existing infrastructure on Madarsa education is to be utilised? Should it be left as such or be modernised ?
(iii)What is the measure of prosperity ? Is it absolute or relative and how can it be obtained ?
(iv)Is the corruption due to pondering of money or due to illiteracy or due to our weak religious mindset and absence of religion in thought and practice ?
I will wait for the reply and while answering we should see the society around us to substantiate our point of view.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
how to write in hindi ?
ReplyDelete1. Open an account on www.rediffmail.com.
2. click on write mail & hindi option.
3. write in English it will be automatically converted to hindi.
4. Copy the same and paste it on blog.
Asslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteHere is the excerpts from “ The times of India ” dated November 25,2009 sacred space and I fully subscribe to these views;
The right to lead certainly isn’t gained by election or appointment. Having position, title, rank, or degrees doesn’t qualify anyone to lead other people. And the ability doesn’t come automatically from age or experience, either. No, it would be accurate to say that no one can be given the right to lead. The right to lead can only be earned. And that takes time.
The key to becoming an effective leader is not to focus on making other people follow, but on making your self the kind of person they want to follow. You must become someone others can trust to take them where they want to go.
John Maxwell
Following report also appeared on page 18,column 2 in the same paper and is reproduced below which may bend your head in shame and enhances the the importance of Madarsa education along with Modern education.
“Iran’s moral police have arrested a dozen couples for engaging ……………………. Those arrested held university degrees, while some were government employees.”
Though it cannot be generalised but there are so many such incidents in our country also appearing almost daily in newspapers which reflects the darker side of the modern education system without religious education,belief and practice.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Aslam sahab,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
It is nice to see you writing on the blog with such promptness. Congratulations to you. Though the debate is very old and a bit stale but let us renew this with new found vigour and enthusiasm. I have also studied in Madarsa but it was exclusive to learning QURAN and HADITH(HADIS).
1. Let us broaden the canvass by going to the extent that Madarsa system will not help in this country/world as the employment opportnities are presently not suited to Madarsa system of education.Remember ,you may study in bhargain but what about employment. Our system of education should be such that it explores opportunities of employment worldwide. Let us not be a frog in a well and seal the fates of Children of Bhargainites.Posteriety will not forgive us. In this context Mr. Azhar has raised a very prominent question as how many of us have been educated in the present Madarsa system and would like to enroll our children in the same.I donot want to get confused by citing big-big names of Madarsa brand who have excelled in life but on the contrary tell me any name from Bhargain educated in Madarsa with great reputation both in religious/public life.
2. The present Madarsa system needs to be modernised in the background of understanding ISLAM in a better way,but modernisation by blending other forms of education will be a 'khichdi' and will not be an easy task as it seems to be and will not help much in getting better employment opportunities. Madarsa system helps in getting close to the basic tenets of Islam and helps us in understanding Islam in a better way( which is not so). Madarsa system should not be linked with modern system of education. Perhaps AMU is the best example.
3. No comments
4. Absolutely, the corruption is due to our weak religious mindset and absence of religion in thought and practice which is very much evident in all walks of life whether politics or in the field of education.
Remember we should be pragmatic not bookish in our approach to analyse the things while firmly sticking to the ground.
All the best for the day,
Allah Hafiz.
In our Multicultural and Multireligious democratic country we have to walk shoulder to shoulder with others by keeping your identity intact and secluding yourself from others will not help.
ReplyDeletewhat have Aftab,Mobin,Azhar,Aslam, Dr.Quamrul, Zaheer,Rauf,Rahman etc. etc. have done for Bhargain? The answer is nothing. it is true that we are not involved and we have left Bhargain at the mercy of people like kalia. History will repeat if we are not involved realistically at this stage. If want to wait till we retire than we should close this blog and be happy with our families.
ReplyDeleteAge ka Allah Hafiz.
Asslamualaikum dear aftab and others;
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts throughout on Madarsa education was to make it more acceptable to multireligious and mulltilingual society by its modernisation than what it is today to generate more employment opportunities and not to seclude it from mainstream.Therefore balance growth of education is very important so that we do not get lost in this materialistic world.Regarding big names from Madarsa education it came for discussion when Bhatti said that it Madarsa education is synonym to no education and none of you objected to this remark.I thought it was great unjustice for this age old system which has produced so many great personalities on whome we are all proud of.
(ii) Regarding mine and your contribution to the people of Bhargain we can extend our moral support for any right cause due to our job condition as I told in the beginning itself but there should be any takers for it.When people do not agree with your point of view and are prejudiced against you then it is very difficult to convince anybody and to do anything.But nevertheless efforts have to continue.Is it not true that Capt saheb lost election because others supported but your own people ditched you."
"There is very interesting fact that is in one of elections for Nagar Panchayat ,Bhargain one of the fellow to whome Mr Abdullah had donated his blood, did not vote to him due to his loyality to his mohallah candidate and one of his friend from childhood openly opposed him because somebody from this part of village should not win the election."
So only Allah can help this type of mindset.However one should not lose the hope and pray to Almighty to change the mindset of the people of Bhargain and rise above the politics of self ,arrogance,mohallah,jealousy and hatred etc. From the day 1 on this blog I hold this opinion and may continue so.our People have ditched to them also who did development work for them.
So we have to chalk out strategy to work for the people of Bhargain and work for it.Let us not hang ourself for any individual but work against this type of mindset,sit together and work for the larger interest of people of Bhargain by finalising the social, religious ,educational and political agenda.
Khuda Hafiz
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Aslam,
ReplyDeleteI think you have misinterpreted my statement. I said "AMU and others are big -big case studies and others are not relevant to Bhargain.This is all totally a different case study and is incamparable.Even the Madarsa system is not applicable to Bhargain. It is synonymous with no education or lack of eduction system."
This was purely in the context of Bhargain,so kindly don't jump the lines.
Asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteDear Bhatti;
I have correctly intrepreted your sentence"it is synonymous with no education system or lack of education system" may it be for Bhargain but you criticised the Madarsa system as a whole and it was a challenge for anyone to prove it that it can be exploited even for Bhargain with slight modification in syllabus.
On the other hand while starting blog you youself mentioned even the world famous AMU is not left untouched by politics but when I discussed AMU in my article,You say that AMU and others are big big case studies while your topic no where mentions that comments are invited exclusively in reference to Bhargain.So how can you confine anybody to write on such a general topic? Mr Bhatti you are contradicting yourself and indulging in prejudiced and frustrated comments ?
can anyone of fellow Bhattis mention social,educational ,political and religious agenda on this blog for the people of Bhargain? Though social and religious agenda is beyond the purview of this context but it is very much relevant for the larger interest of the people of Bhargain.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Friends,
ReplyDeleteMy one line answer is my reference to the comment made on November 19, 2009 12:48 PM
"It will be better on our part if we discuss the issue vis-a-vis Bhargain otherwise the discussion will be endless".
I think Mr. Aslam has taken my comments very close to his heart and has knowingly or unknowingly added to my credentials as a moderater of the Blog. I would be happy if you act as my critic.
So, Papa don't preach.
aapka apna
Bhatti.
and I still hold to my comment that Madarsa system of education in Bhargain is a disaster as far as earning livelihood is concerned.
ReplyDeletedo you really think that the present custodians of Madarsa's of Bhargain will allow a slight modification. They will throw us out of Bhargain.So we should not play with the fire.
ReplyDeleteAsslamualaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteNow my doubt is clear after you have admitted the truth that people of Bhargain will throw you outside the Bhargain if change is tried.If that is the level of determination and acceptability then be sure that no change is possible and you appear to me another man in making to whome you are criticising most without any agenda to work except to criticise others.If one has to bring a change in society and is afraid of fire,I don't have any doubt that such people cannot bring any change in society and are having ambitions to lead only without any moral right and ethics.
Regarding your being accepted as moderator anyone is free to boast himself whatever he feels himself but Allah does not like people who boast and are arrogant.
Regarding Madarsa System I still hold the view that Madarsa system is one of the established system in Bhargain which can be exploited for the people of Bhargain with bare minimum efforts towards its modernisation and relevant also as better system being talked about here are not available for them at presentand practically possible .However mainstream of education can always be joined after primary level to continue higher studies.
Regarding earning livlihood leave upon Allah,he has promised you in holy Quran for your sustenance and see around He is nourishing everyone.Regarding Calling people towards good deeds and prevent them from evil things is the message in quran and will continue in future also.
I still request to post your agenda for social religious educational and political change applicable for the people of Bhargain.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Correction;
ReplyDeleteline 1 : to be read 'thow us out' in liu of 'throw you out'
DEAR ASLAM,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum
Good, you have come out clearly on the subject. In the next yearly convocation(Jalsa) of Madarsa of Beech Thok, you should be present and will try to convince people of Bhargain.By the way you should enroll your children/near and dear ones in any of the Madarsa's of Bhargain before you think of others. I am waiting to hear the good news from you.
मस्जिद तो बना दी शब भर मे, ईमां की हरारत वालों ने.
ReplyDeleteमन अपना पुराना पापी है ,बरसों मैं नमाज़ी बन ना सका.
-Dr. Allama Iqbal
Dear Bhatti;
ReplyDeleteDon't worry time will definitely come when the change will be noticed everywhere including in Bhargain and in Madarsa of Beech Thok.Central Government is already on the job and we will see the required change in the time to come,may it not be so early as by the end of next jalsa.Allah is great and the required change will be seen only with the blessing of Allah.We can only pray and work hard ,rest of things you leave upon Him.
Jab patta nahin hilta bina uski raza ke,
phir banda gunahgar kyon, malum nahin hai
Regarding the education of anybody's children everyone is availing the education according to his constraint and privilege .For your information many aligarian prefer Iqra school(CBSE pattern my dream school pattern) over Lady fatima a christian convent school and so will I while my stay in Aligarh only due to Islamic studies.And if Bhargain Madarsas accept the proposal for its modernisation,the children of many of us may not get admissions in Madarsas as a true for Iqra Public School.The sructure of taamir-e-Millat Madarsa in Aligarh may also be studied, the students of which are getting admission in AMU,Aligarh.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
asslamualaikum;
ReplyDeleteSeencha hai isko lahu se hum tishna labon ne,
tab jaake is Andaaz ka maikhana bana hai
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
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ReplyDeleteDear All,
ReplyDeleteASAK
The Indian political thinkers of colonial India were against westernisation of Indian education system since it taught materialistic prosperity as the only means for social advancement, in which there is no scope for cultural heritage linked with spiritualism. During the first two decades of twentieth century our national leaders like Aurbindo, Dayanand Saraswati, Bal Gangadhr Tilak, Gopal Krishna Gokhale, Madan Mohan Malviya, Mahatma Gandhi, Sampurnanand and others established nationalist educational institutions in different parts of the country to revive the educational heritage. Tilak, while delivering speeches on national education in 1908 maintained: "We are not given such education as may inspire patriotic sentiments. Secular education only is not enough to build up a character. Religious education is also necessary because the study of high principles keep us away from evil pursuits."
Allah hafiz.
Asslamu alaikum and Id-ul-Azha Mubarak :
ReplyDeleteIntelligent views of Mr Anish along with reference to Nationalist leaders are appreciable and welcome.This is exactly what is required and I am emphasising throughout my article that is combination of modern education along with religious education is the complete education plan which we should pursue to achieve our goals whatever we want to achieve.So Institutes with predominance in religious education are to be introduced with modern education and modern education is to be introduced with religious education wherever we are in a position to do so to achieve the balance growth education.Nobody should take it otherwise and strive hard to contribute in whatever best possible manner he can without any personal ego.Dire Consequences of modern education without religious value , belief and practices we have discussed enough.
Woh zamane mein moazziz the musalman hokar',
aur tum khwar hue tarike Qur,an hokar
- Allama Iqbal
I also invite on the occasion of Id-ul-Azha to all of you at my residence in Bhargain.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Aslam,
ReplyDeleteThanks for invitation, kabhi Bareilly bhi bulao.
Dear All
ReplyDeleteAssalamoalikum
Eid MUBARAK ......
Past few comments posted on this blog were lifted from the well published articles and nowhere the source is mentioned. i do not say that we should not quote the things which are said by others. We do get influenced by the writing of others and try to shape up our chain of thoughts on those lines. Nothing wrong in doing that. But we should have the courtesy to acknowledge that as well while presenting the same thought to others.
ReplyDeleteJust search on the net for the article "THE POLITICS OF EDUCATION IN INDIA: need for a national debate" and "http://prashantsugur.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/05/14/Politics-and.html".
I request all to be courteous enough to explain the source and come out with personal opinions on the matters discussed here.
ASSALAMOALAIKUM
ReplyDeleteMany people have commented on the blog, but I have not got a single direct answer from anyone for my question(Well it is absolutely not necessary to comment to my questions). Citing some or the other pretexts everyone is trying to stay away from reforming this system. Don’t we send our children to the boarding schools to get best of the available education inspite of several constraints?
As far as my knowledge goes the people writing on the blog have not sent their children to madarasa's for formal education. Its really cynical that we want other’s children to go through the reforms of madarsa’s, but are not ready to send our children and make them go through the process of reforms. Change can only be made by being a part of the system.
I also do understand the role and utmost importance of religious education in building character of an individual. Religious education is important and given to one and all.
So i think we should get realistic and practical and stop fooling ourselves and other's in the name of Madrasa's. Madarsa's can't be reformed if we keep sending our children to Modern Educational system.
But the bigure question is
Who will risk the future of his or her children?
ASAK to all,
ReplyDeleteEid mubarak to all...
Dear all,
ReplyDeleteIf we think,that we r real thinker for our bhargain.and Really want to do somthing for it.Then my dear all, we have to stay there for year or more to understand real picture of the village we can not say just by some numerical analysis values.Give me a ans how many literate persons who belongs to bhargain are there at this time.We stay away from bhargain to build a career and discussing @ its education and socialism..it is just time waste..
Kuch bhi bura lage to plz muaf karna.
Allah hafiz..
Asslamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteI ivited to all of you in Bhargain due to my presence there on Bakrid.Now you are welcome to Bareilly as well.
I have requested to all of you many times to post the agenda for Political, social, educational and religious change for Bhargain but why people have abstained it ?
(ii) can anyone of you have any agenda for the poors and needy people of bhargain who cannot afford education by their own?
(iii) What are are alternative ,affordable and better sources of education available at present for the people of Bhargain?
(iv)If we happen to stay and reside in in Bhargain and are not having means then where will we seek admission for our children ?
( Maktab Islamiya/Primary Pathshala/non-recognised public schools)
(v) Why all of us have not admitted and sent to our children to Doon school or sherwood school or any other best available schools/colleges/universities of the country school and why we settle for a nearby school though we all know that these are not the best schools/colleges of the country.
If you can reply these questions only then you can understand the answer to already replied question.
So until unless one understands the constraints and privileges available most vital in decisions ,he/she cannot take decisions ? Why our fathers and grandfathers didn't attend English schools though these schools were available even at that time also.The simple answer is constraints but why people don't want to understand it.Was the decision taken by our fathers/grand fathers to send us to the Madarsa/primary pathshala be treated as wrong? No, absolutely not because of the theory of 'constraint and privilege' and it still hold good even today for you for me and for all of us.
When somebody suggests that there is need to improve the village system then one should not ask as why don't you want to live in villages.Having understood this whether the question being raised and justified is worth asking and repetition ?
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamualaikum;
ReplyDelete(i) Thinking and discussion on any matter is prerequisite for any change to take place.
(ii)Thoughts when finalised are converted to plans.
(iii) Final plans are converted to actions to execute these plans.
(iv) Having executed the plans it is monitored for its success and failures and rectified thereafter.
So Success and failure of any plan depends on how well thought the plan was and executed thereafter.So it is chain reaction and each and every stage is equally important.
So there is no harm if we discuss and refine the process and make everyone to agree for a well thought plan.For it it is necessary to have our agenda otherwise it is not possible to arrive at any result.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
can u really compare the educational ethos of the time u have studied and the time when your children are studying?
ReplyDeleteIt is very naïve to equate the education system of two different time periods.
Time has changed so has the educational values.
I just could not understand what are the constraints in sending one's children to madarsa's except for the fact that they have an outdated syllabus which is not in sync with modern education. I am sure there are no financial and geographical constraints. Only social constraints are there.
Can we have a scholarship system for the meritorious and needy students studying in bhargain?
ReplyDeleteThis is test message
ReplyDeleteYour Greeting for Iduzzuha were reccived.when i opend the massage box in my mobile yesterday. I Also wish to greet you. I also Visioted your blog It is good device of having contacts and knowing the views.
ReplyDeleteAss salamu ale kum for all bhattis
ReplyDeleteHey hello for british family.
I want to blog on my village but in hindi not in english.
kya hai hum ek normal inshan hum thik se rah nahin sakte pahle ke buzurge to achhe the ki wo shanti se goan me rahte aur ek dusre se mel melap tha aaj to log dil milte kam - dil ko cheer kar milna chate hai.
about my parts of village.
•
1.Pughaon.
2.Shekhpur.
Difference bus itna ki pughon ke log dushmani bhulte nahi aur shekhpur ke log bhul jate hai.
•Pughaon.
Yahan ke log dushmani mein vishvas rakhte hai log ek dushre ko marne todne me ladane me vishvas rakhte hai log. yahan adhmi ke paas khane ko roti nahi par riffle mein goli zaroor hona chaiye ye faishion nahi mazburi hai log na jane kahan se dushmani nebhe.
•Shekhpur
Yahan par adhmi milta zaroor par apne matlab se kya malum kab chairmani mein select ho jauon log ek dusre par politics se war karte hai. Jo pade likh educated hai wo apne business or position mein lage hai koi kisi aur ki taraf nahi dekh raha bus apni immpresion banani hai bhale dosre ki maa............. ..... yahan par do firkhe hai jo nizam khan aur baki nozwillah pata nahin kahan se aya hai. kuch sunni kuch deo-bandi. hamara chairman vey good kyon ki wo apne muhallahe ko ek saath rakhta hai par kahte sab ki unka mohala.
•Hasan thok. yahan sabse jyada unpadh log hai par sabse jyada paise wale hain kyon ye log mehnat aur beimani pure josh se karte hain.
•Gadhaiya thok. yahan ke log paise wale to hai par ekta nahi hai kyun ki yahan ke chairman apni jagah se haar jate hai deo bandi yahan se suro hue willa hol willa.
•Meen bhadela thok. ye log never gabhi koi in sa nahin ho jo ye kehte hai jo hum karte hain us ko mat dekho hum kehte hai wo karo.
•Lal baug. ye log very good kisi se mat lab nahin apnie khud ke kheton par kabja hai aam ki sabji aur neel gaye ka sikar very good paar aashiq 777 bidi good and rich person in lal baug.
•Seasam thok. yahan ke log jis ka palda bhari wo hamara rahguzar us ke hum pasinde yahan ke log kabhi bhi kisi ko bhi kahin bhi kabhi bhi dhokha de sakte hai.
nothing else
aur mein
navayard mein sabse jyada sarthi nalayak adhmi hun meri baton ka bharosa mat karna kya malum galat likha ho
khuda hafiz
agar kisi koi claim aur kuch bhi kehna ho direct to me -- 9624367788
ASAK.
ReplyDeleteWhere r u Mr Bhatti?..The invisible man..
Assalamoalikum.......
ReplyDeleteThe mohallawise and directionwise postmortem done above does not deserve any comment from me, because i do not subscribe to his views.
Is blog ka matlab logo ko jodna hona chahiye... We should refrain from making generalised comments.
Asslamu alaikum to all and khush Amdeed to new members;
ReplyDeleteHere are excerpts from the interview published in Armughan,an Urdu Magazine in its June,2009 Edition and reproduced in “Naseem Hidayat ke Jhonke”Part II on page 229 of Janab Mohd Umar (Earlier Shri Ram ji Lal Gupta)
“I was an active member of Bajrang dal and RSS and associated with the Babri Masjid/Ram Mandir movement since the opening of lock of Babri Masjid in 1986 and was present in Ayodhya on 6’th December,1992 along with my team of karsevaks and celebrated the demolition of Babri Masjid with full enthusiasm by throwing open a grand party at my residence.I was so involved in the religious frenzy that I even didn’t care for the valuable advice of my secular son who held a doctorate degree in sociology and donated Rs 25 lakh for the demolition of babri Masjid and construction of Ram Mandir.But I was astonished and frightened that on 6’th December’1993 that is exactly one year after the demolition of Babri masjid my shop and godown which were at a distance caught fire simultaneously by short circuiting and goods worth Rs 10 lakhs were reduced to ashes.From that day onwards I along with my all family members were afraid of any mishappening on 6’th December every year.On 6’th December,2005 my only son yogesh met accident and died on the spot while going to lucknow for some business engagement.After this incident , I was fully convinced that I have to repent for my misdeeds and decided to study Islam and have now accepted Islam on 22.01.2009. My wife ,my daughter in law and my grand children have also accepted Islam and have engaged one maulvi to teach us holy Qurán and Hadith.
He has donated now Rs 25/- lakh to build a mosque and madarsa and praying to Allah to remove his name of the list of demolitiors of Babri masjid.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear sir's
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum
I have gone through the viwes of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan, Anis Ahamad Khan, Zahir Ahmad Khan, Abdul Rauf Khan and others. I am much impressed by the following comments.
1. We must stop finding faults with others.
Mohd. Aslam Khan
2. politics with limited accessibility to education system and only on demand can prove to be most effective.
Mr. Azhar
3. Regarding deterioration in society and people of Bhargain no body is responsible except our weak faith in religion and religious values and only religion can play vital role to remove the evils prevalent in society.
Mohd. Aslam Khan
4. seculor education only is not enough to build up a character. Religious education is also necessary because the study of high principles keep us away from evil persuits.
Quotation of Shri Tilak's
Speech by Mr. Anish
I appreicate the discussion on MADARSA education. The logical presentation of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan really touched the heart. The encourging story of Mr. Kumar by Mr. Aftab is really a guide to success. A firm determination only can lead to success.
The politics of Bhargain is not at all different from the politics of the county i.e. the loin's share of development, in what ever shape it is, should come to me, making no difference that small share is going to general public. Political and education institutions of our Town are running on the same principle.
I have no concern with poitics so I am not at all interested in talking on political atmosphare of our Town. But on the other hand I am very much concerned with its social development that consists in education, economic and religious development.
Dear Noorul Hasan Khan,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
Welcome to this Blog. You can be simply described as a shy man of yester years. A man who was good in studies but is afraid to face the world. I am not sure whether the same traits exist or not.
Sir,with due regards, at last you have come out of deep slumber and your liking for well being of Bhargain in terms of improvement of education , economic and religious development is a welcome step.
I do not hesisitate in pointing fingers towards the people like you who have done nothing to Bhargain except safeguarding your service in Godowns of UP Govt.
Any way! better late than never.
We are more interested to know about your views on the subject rather than critisizing/appreciating other's views.
Respected Noorul Hasan Bhai asslamualaikum to you and all others on this blog;
ReplyDeleteYour unbiased views on the blog are welcome ,appreciable and source of encouragement to all of us.Regarding doing something for Bhargain some unknown philosophers has said that "charity begins at home" so even if those of us who have individually achieved and excelled in our respective fields, have glorified the name of Bhargain also.It is also worth mentioning that all the great people except the people chosen by Almighty Allah who have done something great for the society they have achieved first in their personal life and thereafter contributed for society. People with progressive ideology and thoughts have proved great contributors for the developments of any society.
Raat din gardish mein hain saat aasman,
Ho rahe ga kuchh na kuchh ghabrain kya
-Mirza Ghalib
We should not forget the lines of Kabir;
Bura jo dekhan mein chala, bura na milya koi
Jo dil khojo aapno, mujhse bura na hoi
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Freinds,
ReplyDeleteAssalamo Aleykum
Mr. Bhatti,
What about you what you/your freinds/relatives have done for Bhargain . Don't discourage others. If you have something in you then i will tell you what Bhargain exactly needs this time. There are lots of works are pending in Bhargain.
And about Mr. Noorul Hasan Khan what bad he have done for Bhargain?????? Its really shameful that you have written in your earlier comment.
you are diverting from your track and what are you thinking everybody know who are you... And if You point a finger on anybody then remember other three fingers are pointing you. So Please remember take safe drive.
Allah Hafiz
Abdur Rahman Khan
assalmo alaikum
ReplyDeletehere is a platform to talk and discuss the issues which bhargain is facing currently.the main thing is not to settle the score with others but to arrive at the conclusion, what we can do to solve all those problems.bhargain needs a material and effective contributions from all of us. i am of the opinion that just making aggressive and contradictory statements cannot make the situation easy and conclusive.it will complicate the whole matter here.
so we should not make derogatory and defamatory statements against each other.but make every efforts to reach at the conclusions.if i himself has not done enough for bhargain then i have no right to tell others what they have done and what they should do.this is applicable to all of us. thus, plz do something concrete , constructive,and substantial for bhargain..
here we are not fighting a personal war.we are here for a social cause.
well any guesses for me. HA ! HA ! HA!
ReplyDeleteSachhai Buri lagti hai.
I want people to critisize me with their extreme might. Criticism-Khushmdeed
ReplyDeleteKhushamdeed
ReplyDeleteDear Sirs
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum
I have no hesitation to accept that I did not do any thing for the development of Bhargain. But I have not to repent on what I could not do. Let us concentrate on what we can do or how much we can contribute for the betterment of our native place.
The deterioration of of educational standard in Bhargain has to be put to an end. This is the goal and how to achieve this goal is a herculian task. It is well known fact that the student seek to appear in the examination at those centres where they may get help from outside because most of them know that the earning of their livelyhood has no concern with their education. The settlement of their parents in Gujrat was due to the bright opportunities of empoyment for uneducated persons. The present time student also think so and it is a fact that illiterate person have attained a high monetory status. I am not at all prejudiced of them. Really it is pleasant to me that people of my town know no monetory bounds. But it is also shocking that we are lacking in very essential part of life for which our holy prophet Sallallaho Aliahe Wasallam said to obtain wheather it is available in China.
The mentality is to be changed and it is now changing rapidly. Most of the persons who have settled in BARODA Gujrat are seeking admission of their children by paying a huge donation in schools of high educational standard and the results will come in due time.
Dear Noorul,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
let us make things very straight. I hope you have retired from service before the year 2000. After retirement you have preferred to remain in lucknow for your personal reasons. I hope there are no liabilities for you now. So I most humbly request you to come to Bhargain and join people of your age and work for the betterment of Bhargain.
My Dear Freinds
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum
All of you must be knowing that though there are very few but there are Doctors, Engineers, MBA's,MCA's and many are striving to obtain higher education of Engineering, Doctor's,MBA's,MCA's, MA's etc.
Most of them have got well paid jobs in public or private sectors. It is also evident that behind such success full persons there is their own efforts and resorces of there parents, presenting opportunity of feeling plesure to all of us because they belong to our town a big family of ours because I have heard from our elders that the hole town is the off-spring of a spouse.
More-over with in last fiffty years there has been a development for wich non could have imagine regarding graduation of girls but at present there are graduate girls. In this way it is evident there has been progress in the field of education or in short we may say that litrecy has prevailed both among boys and girls.
Where before several years we can count the literate persons and now counting is not possible.
Can any one of us imagine whose cotribution brought this change.It will be ingratitude if I fail to mention there names.It was a team of the persons like Nawab Ali khan,MullahJi,Abdurrehman Khan Sahib, Janab Khan Bhadur Khan Sahib,Haji Janab Ismail Khan Sahib, MunshiJi Janab Abul Shakoor Khan, Respected Haji Janab Ahmed Ali Khan Sahib, Munshi Ji Janab Mohd Raza Khan And Janab Haji Rahikul Kausar Khan Sahib and many others whose names my memory is unable to reproduce. I beg them to forgive me. Deliberately I used this word literacy instead of education. Become education is very wide term wich covers love co-operation respect to ealders, humbleness, sinccerity and so on but these fifty years have yielded alot of hatered, discoopration and jealousy wich are deterent to the progress of the community. though individually we are attaining high economic status but as a community we have been degraded. We have lost the respect our illiterate BUZURG's were commanding we have lost our unity. Families are scatterd and the systum of joint families is diminishing.
Respected Noorul Hasan saheb;
ReplyDeleteThanks a lot for providing so much vital informormation about the people of Bhargain from past who have contributed directly or indirectly for the education and development of the bhargain.We pray for the Maghfirat of those who are no more and for long life for those who are alive.
We further request you to post your valuable views over this blog.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Noorul Hassan Sahab,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
Today I have gone through the postings on the Blog and I read your views on the subject. It gave me a deep sense of gratification when I see the people of my age writing and using internet as a source of exchanging ideas. In response, I am tempted to write and would like to clarify some of the most important events which are directly or indirectly related to the educational developments that have taken place in the history of Bhargain.
In addition to the names that have been mentioned by Noorul Sahab, I still feel that some of the most prominent and pertinent names are still left out. They were the real pioneers as far as the education of Bhargain is concerned and mentioning them will be a real tribute to their esteemed souls.
The names which have been mentioned like Marhoom Ahmed Ali, Marhoom Munshiji Shakoor, Marhoom Guinya Munshi Ji, Marhoom Abdul Hadi, etc. were teachers by their profession and no doubt taught the masses of Bhargain. At this point I want to mention that they were not the real social workers working for the cause of education.
Allah ! is great and without his will nothing moves. I still have the vivid memory of 13th December 1958. One fine morning Shri Saligram and Ramsevak both from Gandhi Ashram uttered sarcastically “ Bhargain Wale Ghodon Ki Aulaad Hain” as no body was interested in the cause of spreading education. This was not taken down silently by the villagers of that time and became a challenge for them. These utterances were taken as a challenge by everyone unitedly whole heartedly and started to work for the cause of education. The lead in this movement was taken by non –other than Marhoom Abbal Hassan(Gadhaiya thok) and Janab Rahikul Kauser(Lal Baugh).
Both of them gave a call to the people of Bhargain to join the movement spearheaded by them. I along with Marhoom Mohd. Shafi Khan(Guard) were entrusted with a responsibility to help in this movement. Mahoom Haji Younis Ali( Hassan thok), Marhoom Ishaaq Khan(Hassan Thok), Marhoom Ibrahim Khan(Gadhaiya), Marhoom Mullaji Abdurrahman(Gadhaiya thok), Bhure Khan(Gadhaiya thok), Marhoom Ayub Mullaji(LalBaugh), Ali Mohd. Seth ( Fajju Thok) went out begging from door to door and collected 9 Man(Cereals) and Rs.1400/-(fourteen hundred) as collection which by any means was a great amount in those times.
In addition to the above some people donated land for the above cause. They were Marhoom Haji Younis Ali Khan, Marhoom Haji Nathu Khan, Haji Rahikul Kauser, Marhoom Himmat (Badhai) etc.
After acquisition of land and collection of money an executive body for the purpose of running the school at Kheda was formed. It comprised of ,
Mullaji Abdur Rahman: President,
Haji Younis Ali : Vice President,
Nawab Ali : Manager,
Khan Bhadur Khan & Abbul Hassan: Secretaries,
Haji Rahukul Kauser: Treasurer .
Continuued....
List of members is as under:
ReplyDelete1. Marhoom Mehdi Hassan khan
2. Marhoom Haji Jang Bahadur Khan
3. Marhoom Noor Mohd.
4. Marhoom Risaldar Murtaza Ali.
5. Marhoom Mansab Khan
6. Marhoom Bhure Khan
7. Janab Shamsul Hassan
8. Marhoom Haji Ismail Khan
9. Haji Riyasat ali Pradhan
10. Marhoom Samad Khan
11. Neta Raghubar Dayal (Badhai)
12. Marhoom Liyaqat Ali
In the academic year 1961 some differences cropped up between Marhoom Nawab Ali and Marhoom Abbal Hassan. An offer was also given by Marhoom Sherwani Sahab for making it a govt. School , but the same was turned down by the then Manager of the school. Later on preferences to the dear and near ones in running the school became impediments to run the school. Marhoom Abbal Hassan was forced to resign from the body and then he left Bhargain and settled at Aligarh for educating his wards.
There was no progress as far as running the school was concerned and it became a Black hole. The management of the school was handed to Marhoom Sarwar sahab in july 1997 and to Janab Ashik Ali(Bidiwale) in the year 2000. The condition deteriorated with no signs of improvement. The school was aided in the year 2003. Janab Ashik Handed over the papers to the present Chairman Ahmed Nafees urf Kalia. In 2004, Janab Salim Sherwani intervened and instructed Kalia to hand over the papers to Janab Irfan Sahab. Two self proclaimed teachers one from Raipur and second from Ganjdundwara staked their claim to be headmasters as the school was aided and every one was longing for the regular appointment for the lust for money. The BSA had already visited the school and found grave irregularities in the records of both the headmasters. Today the school is closed and Children of Bhargain suffer.
I have tried my best to present a clear picture(without any prejudice) about the chronology of events which have influenced the education of Bhargain. Now it is for you to decide what is wrong or right. So it is my sincere and honest appeal to the present young turks to take a lesson from this leaf of history of Bhargain and should not indulge to repeat the same. This is also one of the main reasons to study history. Remember future generations are not going to forget and forgive us as they are smarter, bolder and work with a lot of conviction.
All the best.
Allah Hafiz.
Capt. Abdul Latif Khan
Note: There may be some names which may be inadvertently left out.
Assalamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteI read with great enthusiasm the article of capt Abdul Lateef Khan and was delighted with the vivid and clear picture of the socio- educational movement of Bhargain.Yes these are the real stories which can really awake all of us and some of us can really rise to occasion. with due regard to all of you, here I want to add the name of two great teachers of yesteryears in the list of persons who have contributed for the education of Bhargain. Bhargain will remain always indebted to these great teachers ,the first of of them is the name of Marhoom Janab Hafiz Murad and the other one is that of Marhoom Syed Umar Daraz (popularly known as Meer Saheb) of Beech Thok.
Marhoom Hafiz Morad was the teacher of Hafiz Syed Wakeel Ahmed,pesh Imam of oldest mosque of Bhargain Jama Masjid,Beech Thok,Hafiz Daulat Sher, pesh Imam of Garayya Thok Mosque (present structure constructed around 1918), Hafiz Akhtar,earlier pesh imam of Ahmed Thok,Hafiz Ahmed Saeed of Lal Bagh,Hafiz Ghaffar and many others.He taught the Qura’an with sheer perfection of pronounciation and finest accuracy of Arabic language reading. My eldest sister-in-law was also one his student and had learnt by heart two chapters( two pare) when hafiz sahib died young sometime around 1955.She is so perfect in Qura,an recitation that I could not muster the courage to recite the Qura’an in front of her when she recently visited us only few days back. Marhoom Hafiz had composed one Deewan in Urdu Shairy which remained unpublished and one of his students Janab Ale Ali s/o Marhoom Qazi Abbas took it from the nephews ( who hardly understood the work) of Hafiz sahib to Aligarh and never returned it back.Thus Bhargain lost the greatest treasurer of Urdu poetry composed by this great teacher. My sister-in-law also recited few shairs composed by Marhoom Hafiz Morad which from my assessment can be treated as very good shairs of Urdu poetry.
Another name is that of Marhoom Syed Umar Daraz who was teacher in Maktab Islamiya Beech Thok for pretty long time.He was my teacher (1965 to 1969) and that of my wife along with many others throughout the Bhargain. We are really indebted to this great teacher and pray for his Maghfirat.It is not known as when was he inducted as the teacher of Maktab Islamiya but he single handedly managed the affairs of Maktab throughout his life without much in return and got very little pay for his great service.Among other qualities he had excellent hand writing of Urdu Language and his writing looked very similar to published writing.Though Slightly short tempered,he was excellent teacher and had great affection for his students.
I request Lateef Bhai & Nurul Hasan Bhai and others if they could add something more from their memory about these teachers.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Captain Latif,
ReplyDeleteAsslamalaikum,
Thanks for presenting the true picture of the efforts made by people of Bhargain and is an eyeopener indeed.
After studying in Bhargain , I hope you joined Army and then you have retired before the year 2000. I appreciate that you have now settled in Bhargain and I am a bit surprised why you have not come up with plan of educating people of Bhargain. I also know that you have an unblemished record and dotless character plus great ability to mould people.
My only question to you is , Why you have so far not initiated the herculian and gigantic task of educating people of Bhargain ? For God's sake do something for Bhargain , before it is too late. Why don't you initiate? Look! you have agreed that we are smarter, bolder and work with lot of conviction. So we are watching you, otherwise people will equate you with 'Kalia'.
Allah Hafiz!
Dear Bhatti,
ReplyDeleteAsslamalaikum
I left Ahmedabad and settled in Bhargain in the year 2003. My heart was always craving for Bhargain while serving in Army and living in Ahmedabad for the education of my children.
Now with the grace of Almighty Allah I am in Bhargain for the last 6 years or so. I am happy that people of Bhargain have accepted me back for which I am thankful to them. I have not been able to break much ice as far as educational field is concerned but it pains me when I see people not fighting for the legitimate rights. Few instances I would like to bring to your knowledge.
1. Once there was a very good rain and Complete Jahani thok was flooded with water. The water was not drained due to an uphill pulia. No body dared to break that Pulia, but I took the initiative of breaking that pulia and with in no time the water drained out and unfortunately it entered into Jahani thok and entered into the house of our Chairman. An FIR was lodged against me and others of Jahani thok but eventually I could overcome it by grace of Almighty Allah.
2. The recent Parisiman before town area election was done in such a way that Hassan thok was divided into two, Gadhaiya was scattered every where and the no. of wards in pubhaon was reduced to five from six . Ultimately by the cooperation of our fellow Bhattis we could correct the same upto 80%.
3. Finally the School from Jahani Thok was shifted to Sutia which was the last nail in the coffin for the people of Jahani thok. Again by the grace of Almighty and with the help of Janab Bhure Khan, Janab Ishtiyaq Khan, Janab Aslam( member), Janab Jabbar(member), Janab Mushtaq(member), Marhoom Shafi Sahab, Janab Noor-Alam, Janab Nathu & Janab Banti we could bring it back to Jahani Thok.
It is my sincere request to Janab Idris, Janab Israr, Janab Noorul etc. to come back to Bhargain and strengthen our arms for a better future of Children of Bhargain.
I do not care about what I will be called or equated with ‘Ahmed Nafees’ urf ‘Kalia’ as it is for you and others to decide.
Allah Hafiz
Capt. Abdul Latif khan
ASAK to All,
ReplyDeleteWe always dream for a day when our child aspires to become an Engineer, Doctor, Manager, Cricket or Teacher and inspire new generation for the same. But for this we should make some parameter on how we can provide the friendly environment in our schools, efforts should be made to ensure that every child attends and stay in schools. But when we take the reality we come to the conclusion that hundreds of children are not attending school in our town. School must concentrate on ethics, the benefits of social services, and the importance of honesty during first phase (I-V class) of education.
In Bhargain, child labour is not basic concerns but it is existing in one or the other way, many children are playing whole day but their parents are not aware about that How to manage this crisis. Especially among teenagers in the 14-18 age bracket who do not have access to education and continue to waste time in wasteful activities and ruin their future.
All children should be encouraged to engage themselves in social service and to help their peoples, It is also essential to warn children of the dangers and evil consequences of corruption and crime. The education system must teach the individual rights of all people (civics), but must likewise emphasize the social responsibilities of people as well. The necessity of a fair balance of the rights and responsibilities of individuals within the society must be emphasized again and again. Most of ideas are based on actual, personal experience because I think the peoples of Bhargain are not aware about their rights and responsibilities for the town. Healthy education will definitely leads to minimize the evils of the society and will teach individuals regarding their rights duties and responsibility in any society.
We should take it seriously and positively on it, “if you think about disaster, you will get it. Brood about death and you hasten your demise. Think positively and masterfully, with confidence and faith, and life becomes more secure, more fraught with action, richer in achievement and experience” (By Swami Vivekananda).
For the success of a transparent, democratic system, it is most important to establish a well-functioning education system for all children. From an early age children must be taught ethics, honesty, and tolerance. They must be educated to genuinely admire those who suffer and die in the service of their people and town. All people should freely accept the high moral principle of society and develop the courage to defend them in case of need.
When it is night, it is difficult to see what is what, who is who, where we are. Ignorance is due to darkness of illiteracy, means you do not know. But as soon as the sun of knowledge rises, everything revealed as it is. The supreme occupation of all humanity is to give light of knowledge, love, and co-operation to the people not to be contributed to the darkness of lust, greed, envy, pride, anger and illusion. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is the duty of each one of us first we purify our heart, if you do not have something, how can you give it to others? You can give what you have.
Regards
Rauf
ASSLAMOALAIKUM TO ALL,
ReplyDeleteI am very glad to see my chacha Janab Abdul Latif and janab Nurul Hasan khan on this blog......i hope both will open the page of Diary.
Regards
Asslamu Alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteHaving discussed wonderful ideas,the problems,constraints,historical facts and figures ,successes and failures at length our role so far have been mainly philosophical, advisory ,criticising or appreciating only but now it the right time to finalise agenda for the social, educational,religious and political cause and modus operandi to formulate and implement it.
We should also remember that people have not spared anyone on this earth out of bound of criticism and one should not feel discouraged by it even if it comes on his way.Even Anbiyas, Aulias, great people of the world all were subjected to criticism of the people due to their prejudices,arrogance,traditionalism,rivalry and race for superiority.Nevertheless;
"Girte hain sahsawar hi maidane jung mein,
woh tifl(child) kya girenge,jo ghutnon ke bal chalein." and then
Himmate mardan ,to madade Khuda
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Janab Capt. Abdul Latif Khan
ReplyDeleteAssalamu Alaikum to you and all bhattis.
I thanks to you for giving lot up data on Bhargain's devlopment.
Your initiative is very good for requesting to retired persons to come back Bhargain, but I surprised to see your request only for few peoples. If you request to all the retired persons to come back Bhargain to serve the Bhargain than it will be good for Bhargain as well to you also. So I personally request you to take necessary action for this.
Shukriya and Assalamu Alaikum again.
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Baroda
Dear Aslam
ReplyDeleteWalaikumsalam,
At last you have realised that criticism is necessary in all walks of life. I still remember when you initially got annoyed, but after a little bit of hiccup we all together gained momentum and look how far we have reached.
Better late than never. Now I don't want you to justify why and how you did.
so get going and don't look back.
Asslamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteDear Iqbal you want to keep ourself away by putting this great responsibility upon retired persons ? With great difficulty you have come up now on listening that the job is being entrusted to retired persons.You are not one of them to be spared and with your management skills and experience you and Anis along with others like minded have really to do something for Bhargain.
Dear Bhatti;
Regarding criticism and appreciation here is great Ghazal from Rahat Indori for all of us;
"Main phul hun, to phul ko guldan ho naseeb,
Main aag hun ,to aag bujha deni chahiye.
Main jabr hun ,to jabr ki tayeed band ho,
Main sabr hun ,to mujh ko dua deni chahiye.
Main Taj hun ,to Taj ko sar par sajayein log
Main Khak hun to Khak Uda deni Chahiye .
Sach baat kaun hai, jo sare aam kah sake,
Main Kah raha hun, mujh ko saza deni chahiye.
So let us remain very honest in criticism and appreciation and Bhattis on this blog are quite intelligent and understand what we really mean over here.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
My dear friends
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum
We were discussing about the educational
development of our town and wecame to the establishment of junior high school at KHERA.My
brother Janab Abdul Latif Khan has given complete history from the begining to its end.
Therefore no further comments on this topic.
This junior high school became a source of
of imparting education to both the boys and girls of our town at the time when the largest part of its population was living there. Now the largest part of its population is living in BARODA and it is pleasure that a school has
also been established there. I pray the almighty to let it flourish in all respects.
I have gone through the earlier discussions on Madarsa education which is the only source of religious education to maintain our seperate entity as Muslim. In the opinion Mr. Rauf Madarsa education is no education but contrary to his opinion I have firm belief that it is Madarsa education which has to sow the seeds of Islam at a age of chid hood to grow the crops of Muslims who bears the light of Iman in their heart throughout their life.
The truth of this statement of mine can be verified by remembering the religious position of the people of our town who have never been to Madarsa. I read a statement of professor Salman Nadavi a professor of DURBON University of South Afrika who said that western syllabus of education has every thing except KHUDA The God. By removing God from the syllabus the relationship of teacher and student which was full of respect and love has lost some where. Teaching and learning on payment of money has turned into a business deal(Roznama Rashtriya Sahara Urdu-17.12.09 where student has no respect for the teachers and teacher has no affection for the student.
A proposal of modernisation of Madarsa education is under consideration of our government which is being opposed by our Ulemas who doubt the government intention. according to the secretary of Jamate Islami Janab Aijaz Ahamad Aslam Sahib in his statement published on 14 th december,09 in Roznama Rashtriya Sahara, the intention of government regarding Madarsa education does not seem to be good. What the government and Ulemas think about it. It is their concern. we may wait for the result however it is not to be forgotten that Madarsa education is the back bone of imparting knowledge of Qran Majid without which our Islamic faith can not be Strengthened.
Assalamoalaikum,
ReplyDeleteJanab Nurul sb maine kabhi nahi kaha ki Madarsa Education is not Education ......i just confirm one data from bhargain and baroda According to our source 3164 childeren in Bhargain in pre matrics Classes and only 1300+ children in Baroda in 2008-2009 session, so we can say that abhi bhi hum log Bhargain ko negelect nahi kar sakte......hamare pas abhi bhi work karne ke liye wahan space hai.....Please come at one stage and do needful.....i am strongly supporter that first u teach islamic education to yr children and after that come with modern Education but both should b planned. otherwise we will loose....
Abdur Rauf
Janab Rauf Sahab Assalamualiakum
ReplyDeleteShukriya for given data of students studying in Bhargain & Baroda. Here I want to ifnorm you about thinking of peoples for Bhargain. Last month I was travelling from Kaimganj to Mathura, during journey one child age about ten yrs told before Rudain whether Ballupur station passed than I questioned why you enquire about ballupur than he told here in Bhargain in exam teachers supporint in for NAKAL on payment basis, my
sister/ brother came Bhargain for exam. This is immage of Bhargain.
In Baroda our many students are studying in higher standard / professional courses. So definetly quantity is less in Baroda but quality wise good.
Still I am not under stand how schools are running in Bhargain. In Bhargain no body running shcool for supporting education, all are running for money only. Many parents send their kids from Baroda and other parts only for exam & they passed also. So please think about quality of education in Bhargain.
My intension is to disclose picture of education in Bhargain, I do not want to hurt any one related to Bhargain.
Assalamualaikum
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Bhargain.
Janab Capt. Abdul Latif Khan
ReplyDeleteAssalamu Alaikum
Shukriya for giving response my request.
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Baroda
Asslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteLet us not hang ourself in past which we have discussed a lot and can be useful for "learning from our past experiences".However it is surprising that no one is coming up with solutions to the persistent problem.In my opinion We should finalise our plans for future course of actions and make all out efforts to implement it.
For Example;
(i) Under PM's 15 point programme for monorities there is scheme for improving educational standard in the minority dominated areas but for that society/trust is to be registered for at least 3 years period and should have a running school to qualify it for government grant.
(ii)We can explore other ways and means also and I am very sure that Bhattis can contribute generously provided if we succeed in winning their confidence. So please let us come up now with solutions instead of listing mere problems.
(iii)We should finalise a core committee comprising relatively senior and experienced memebers with mutual consent and discussion with the basic task of finalising further core executive committees(CEC's)/Non Government Organisations (NGO's).NGO's can be got registered for the cause of educational and social development, rules and regulations can be drafted and circulated over the blog and by post also for those who do not have internet facility.
These are mere suggestions only and are not open to criticism.Somebody if he feels so may come up with better suggestions and his suggestions are most welcome.After recieving the suggestions from one and all within specified period of time we can finalise the best available solutions.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteFollowing information has been provided by capt abdul Lateef on my request to him in addition to my article on Hafiz Morad that is;
(i)Amongst the students of Hafiz Morad following names are also added which were left earlier inadvertently;
Janab Hafiz Nasir Ahmed
Janab Qazi Tayeb Ali
Janab Hafiz Ghaffar
Marhoom Hafiz Ali Daraz Khan
(ii) The sequence of Masjid construction in Bhargain in descending order is as under ;
(1) Jama Masjid,Beech Thok (Takiye wali masjid)
(2) Masjid-e-Meeran Thok
(3) Masjid-e-Garayya Thok
(4) Masjid-e-Ahmed Thok
(5) Masjid-e-Nathu Thok
(6) Masjid-e-Hasan Thok
(7) Masjid-e-Lal Bagh
(8) Masjid-e-Jahani Thok
(9) Masjid-e-Talahti,Ahmed Thok
I request Janab Bhai Noorul Hasan Khan to post telephone No. over the blog.It was interesting and motivating to read your analysis and emphasis for religious education along with modern education.Regarding the views of Secretary of Jamat-e-Islami Hind Janab Aizaz Aslam the approach and analysis may be correct but we have to tell the Government exactly and in one clear unambiguous voice as what for we Muslims want to settle in the name of modernisation of Madarsas and nothing less than this is acceptable to us.It is unfortunate that we are divided over almost all the issues of development and welfare of Umm'a and people are taking undue advantage of our this weakness.One of the very prominent speaker compared the unity amongst Maulvis of various Maslaks as "weighing frogs in weighing Machine" that is if you put one inside other one will jump outside.So is happening regarding consensus among Maulvis for Modernisation of Madarsa educatin.
Why cann't we agree on common issues like this still remains billion dollar question ?
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Clarification;
ReplyDeleteUrfi name is reflected inadvertently in liu of my name.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Iqbal,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
I mentioned the names of Jb. Noorul,Jb. Israr and Jb. Idris for the simple reason that I know that the family liabilities of the above are over and can devote their time for a worthy social cause. Anyone with the intention of woorking for a social cause is always welcome.
Allah Hafiz.
Feel free to contact me on my Tel. Nos.
09411687853(M)
05740251918(R)
Assalamualaikum Janab Iqbal sb and All,
ReplyDeleteI already discussed with you in our previous meeting, I am Totally agree with you and we trying for change the image of Bhargain in terms of Education. But before it I would like to say that there is so important first we improve our Primary Education system after it Secondary and senior secondary levels bcoz our foundation is so weak………Mr Nurul Hasan sb was the president of our First Program “Social and Educational Summit 2009 in Bhargain but all teachers of primary section, All Contaractor of All Mohallas, All Politicians of our Town was against of it. Dear All, your Co-Opration is required to change the system of Education in Bhargain and image of it.
I request to you all Please attend next summit and Disclose your Pitara of Ideas and do needful for our Lovely Town.
Regards
A Rauf Khan
Dear freinds
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum
It is matter of appreciarion that we are worried about the quality education. so we must
consider the reasons which are responsible for not increasing the quality education.
1- Willingness of the students
The vital reason of lacking in specialized
education is the lack of willingness of the students, who could not make up their mind to inter into a specialized field of education, either due to lack of guidance or due to parents pressure. Early marriages also play a deterent role.
2- Environment is a very important factor. If the students are surrounded by the evil elements of the society and persons of ill habits persons wasting their time in gosseps and so called entertainment tend to spoil their life. Remember Grashsm's Law which is no doubt applicable here. "Bad money tends to put good money out of circulation. Similerly students indulgd in bad habits tend to pit good students out of the way of achieving their goles.
3- Required facilites-
facilites like availablity of colleges, liabraries, hostles and convance etc. are most essential. The entrance examanations are tough because there is cut throat competition everywhere. So coaching facility are much helpful & have become unavoidable. Admission in coaching Institutions is also difficult because of high merit of students seeking admission in famous coaching centre.
Mr. Mohammed Aslam Khan wanted my contact no. I am giving it here- 9415920570, 05222451460.
Noorul Hasan Khan, lko.
Assalamalaikum,
ReplyDeleteI am not agree with your top two points.but The last one is fact that everyone knows.
U mentioned that Early marriages play role..but sorry to say we inspired to do that..Can we not stop child marraige? That we dont want to do..We ignore those thing..Chalne do Jaisa Chal raha Hai.we dont bother @ it.Because We always take care our family and Childs.Dont bother @ others that is the mentality right now and it is truth.
And second one the Environment..in that to build our own career or for study of our child we leave that place which needs good environment.Now when u become literate person u never bother @ that environment.here also Jo chal raha hai Wo chalne do..we dont take care @ it.It is also truth..
Top two points reflact that we dont want to take extra responsibility.
Allah Hafiz..
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum.
Wishing happy new year to all of you, I have to continue a my yesterdays comments. The fourth point which is importent to didcuss is availibity of finance.
4. Financial constraints.
Finance is a most powerful factor in every field of life. It is like blood for the body. sufficient supply of it makes smooth running and shortge of it put so strong impediments that even further movements become impossible. Though there are a few who over come these impediments with their strong will, labour dedication and humble and submissive nature which may be named as tolerence.
I feel it is unavoidable to recall a sher quoted by Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan in his comments dt. 27 th November,2009 on this blog, need not to re-write it here. I feel from the very inner heart that Quran Majid provides solutions for every problem. As we do not understand it so our attention also does not recall the solutions provided by our Holy Quran.
Innumerous times it have been repeated in Quran to establish NAMAZ and pay ZAKAT, which is the solution for the financial problems. I sincerely wish to abide by the Quran instead of being called as TARIK-E-QURAN. May the almighty bless us with Taufique of doing so. here again I have to recall the comment of Mr. Mohd. Aslam Khan that people of Bhargain may generously contribute to diminish the financial constraint. But there is a need that such persons who are honest enfluential and punctual to perform the social sevice should voluntarily come forward to form a team which may be trusted.
We all believe in one GOD-THE CREATOR, one Quran- the guide to live a life abiding by the principles of holy Quran. Our beloved Rasool, Sallalahoalaiwassallam has given very clear instructions which are carefully saved for us by trustworthy BUZURGS. Hence we should no problem to come together and to perfom our social duties in that light.
I again come to the point of ZAKAT we should establish a "Baitul Mall" under the supervision of the Team and form such rules and regulations in the light of Quran and Hadis so that the benifit reach to every needy. Though there is need to further eleboration but the foremost is the Team. I invite most humbly to propose the names without prejudice.
Asslamu alaikum & may Allah bring happiness and prosperity to all of us in new year 2010;
ReplyDeleteThanks a lot to Bhai Noorul Hasan Khan and Capt Abdul Lateef Khan for posting their Telephone No. over the blog.I request others also to do the same if not done earlier.
I was highly confused about Mohd Iqbal Khan Baroda and Bhargain and understand both as under;
(1) Mohd Iqbal Khan s/o Late Khan Bahadur Khan,Garayya Thok,Bhargain the one who has introduced himself as from Baroda
(2) Mohd Iqbal Khan s/o Late Mehndi Hasan Khan,Garayya Thok,Bhargain the one who has introduced himself as from Bhargain.
If my perception is correct then it is OK else I may please be corrected so that we understand each other correctly.
The idea of "Baitul Mall" by bhai Noorul Hasan Khan is marvellous and is worth implementation. for that an account is to be opened in the name of "Baitul Mall committee" and operated for social cause of poors and needies in Bhargain.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
assl,
ReplyDeletePADHNA ZAROOR TUMHARE LIYE HAI.
I m sorry par aaj mujhese raha nahi jata to keh raha hu.
Aap log yahan beth kar kehte hai ke education failana hai to ese to nahi felega. Aap educational confrence karwate hai ke to kabhi aap ne ye socha hai ki bhesnhs means buffalo ke age been bajane se kuch nahi hota agar aap apne kasba e bhargain ko iilm means educational banana chate hai to ek esi committe banaye jo ek school jo RMS ho ya koi jo committee paise wali ho jo har saal har bache ka school ka karcha aur use salana wazifa bhi de to kuch ho sakta hai.aur aap kya samjte hai ke mr. anish sahab ne koi mehnat nahi ki bhargain sudharne me are ghadon hamara bhargain lalach matlab har kam ke piche apna ya apno ka mali matlab paison se faiyda chata hai humara goan aaj me jita hai kal mein nahin to Aur rooz roz aap yahan par comments likhte hai to us din aap kahan the jab ala hazarat confrence me molana nazwi ko estage par se english mein takrir karne se utara gaya tha aur wahan hum kuch nahin kar paye kyonki hum financial kamzor hain to ye sab hame ye batata hai ke paise se aap bhargain mein education, power, etc jaisi har cheez la sakte hai computer par dimag kharch karne se nahin
sorry agar aap ko bura laga ho laga ho to contact karen 962436778 vadodara navayard.
asak,
ReplyDeleteone thing i want to add here in the above comment that our people of bhargain are always ready to pay in police cases just we can say faltu kharche..but they always try to take banefit if they pay for social activity..Even i m chalanging that no one will ready to pay even 100 rs/month for social committe..
allah hafiz..
What Is Halal and What Is Haram?
ReplyDeleteQuestion: As-Salaam `Alaykum... Is dancing prohibited in any case in Islam? (i.e. dancing with a group of people like bhangra, or by oneself, dancing with females) Thank you for your time. Jazakullah Khairan!
Name of Mufti Group of Muftis
Answer: Wa`alykum As-Salaamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear brother/sister in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on learning the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply.
Islam is a religion of moderation and does not approve of either extremism or negligence. Islam does not prevent people from having entertainment; however, it gives the rules that regulate this entertainment. On the other hand, Islam does not tolerate any kind entertainment that contains Haram or even lead to Haram things.
As far as the issue of dancing is concerned, it can be either between women, or between men, or mixed between both. If dancing happens between women, then it is allowed unless this involves showing any of woman’s `Awrah – that is between the navel and knee – in front of other women, or the dancing impedes carrying out mandatory obligations or coincides with unlawful acts.
n this regard, Dr. Su’ad Salih, professor of Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) at Al-Azhar University, states:
“Islam is a religion of moderation; it does not prevent singing and dancing, but it forbids anything that stimulates people’s desires, be it among men or women. Women are supposed to observe good manners if they get to dance before other women. They should not exceed limits by doing anything that stimulates the desire and incites evil. We have seen many women tempted by other women.
However, if a woman gets to dance before her husband, then there is no restriction, as it is a way of cementing relations between spouses – and this a key pillar of establishing the Muslim family.”
Dr. Salim Ahmad Salamah, Dean of the Faculty of Usulud-Deen at the Islamic University, Gaza, adds:
“It is permissible for women to dance and sing so long as there are no males around. In addition, the words of the song should be free from any foul words or vulgarity. Furthermore, no non-Muslim women should be attending, for the `Awrah of a Muslim woman before them is the same as in the case of a man. Thus, so long as the words of the song are pure and clean and there no males or non-Muslim women around, there is nothing wrong in dancing.”
By analogy, men are allowed to dance together as long as they cover their `Awrah (between the navel and knee) and there is no fear of temptation.
As for the mixed dancing between men and women, it is absolutely Haram in all cases, save for a wife dancing before her husband. The reason behind this prohibition is that with mixed dancing bodily contact is close and improper sexual desires arouse. This has been strictly forbidden by Islam in an attempt to block the way against evil. By letting men and women dance together, lots of Haram acts can happen. That is why mixed dancing is not allowed.
Another important point that should be stressed here is that in all cases where dancing is Halal music, if used, has to be also Halal. To know about the conditions of the permissibility of music, please refer to the following fatwa:
Islam's Stance on Music
Allah Almighty knows best.
Janab Aslam Bhai
ReplyDeleteAssalamu alaikum
Actually by oversight I have mentioned Bhargain instead of Baroda. So both Mohd Iqbal Khan Baroda and Bhargain are same. I am very sorry for mistake.
Allah hafiz
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM TO ALL
ReplyDeleteQuran........
Amal ki kitab thi,
Dua ki kitab bana diya!
Samajhne ki kitab thi,
Padhne ki kitab bana diya!
Zindon ka Dastoor tha,
Murdon ka Manshoor bana diya!
Inqalab ki kitab thi,
Sirf Sawab ki kitab bana diya!
Taskheer-e-kayenat ka Dars dene aayi thi,
Sirf Madarson ka nisaab bana diya,
Murda qomon ko zinda karne ayi thi, Murdon ko
bakhshwane par laga diya! Zara sa ghor Kijiye...
ALLAH HAFIZ
MOHD IQBAL KHAN
BARODA
Assala Mulaikum
ReplyDeleteI am very much agree with Janab Noorul Hasan Khan's opinion for establish "Baitul MaLL".
Today our mostly ZAKAT used in Islamic Education (for Madars education)only.
Here I want to inform to all the bhattis that two years back I with my other friends had discussed with many Muftis for whether we can use ZAKAT for modern education or not. After discussion with many muftis we did not satisfied & than lastly we met to one of biggest mufti of Gujarat and discussed on this issue. After long discussion on the issue with the help of Allah mufti sahab informed us that ZAKAT can be use for modern education with certain conditions. With this details I want to inform you that we can use ZAKAT for modern education also. I do not want to stop from help of madras. My opinion is give some share of ZAKAT for madras, some for needy perons and some share for modern eduction also.It is very difficult to give regularly help to needy person from lillah fund but because ZAKAT is compulsory on every muslim, this is not our fund, this is fumd of needy person for which Allah appoint us care taker of the that fund. If we think in this way than we can contribute without any problem to all needy persons.
So if we make a proper team under supervision of some good persons than it will help to stand up our village position in both way i.e. improve our eduction standard, help needy students for higher eduction and other needy persons.
Allah Hafiz
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Baroda
Asslamu alaikum to all;
ReplyDeleteDear Janab Iqbal Bhai;
You have raised the most sensitive issue of singing and dancing as Halal within defined restrictions but it is to be clarified properly to the readers over here without delay.
(i) The scholars under reference have nowhere quoted the source of their information in the light of Quran and Hadith which are most authentic source of information to all Muslims and issue of Halal and Haram is to be guided under the knowledge of These Books or from Darul Iftah acceptable to Hanafi School of thought.
(ii) It is also not clear whether these scholars are Muftis and competent to issue fatwas ?
Having Islamic knowledge is one issue and even many non Muslims are great scholars on Islamic Studies but they are not competent to Issue fatwas.For example for the sake of information John F Esposito is the professor of Middle East Studies at College of Holy Cross and have authored many books on Islam including the “Islam/The Straight Path” published by Oxford University Press and is a very concise and brief book on Islam containing unbiased and neutral views by a non Muslim author.He has explained Baqa and Fana of Sufism and many other concepts which I could not get in Islamic texts at one place. I request the readers to go through this book to have a balanced view on Islam if it is available somewhere.
(iii) It is also not clear whether the quoted scholars belong to Hanafi Scool of thought ?
Because most of the people in Bhargain and in North India follow Imam Abu Hanifa Rahmutallah Alaih and are bound to obey His school of thought only.Though all the four Imams that is Imam abu Hanifa(RA),Imam Shafi’i(RA),Imam Malik(RA) and Imam Hanbal(RA) are correct but we all know that intermixing of Imams is not correct that is we cannot follow two Imams according to our convenience.
(iv) Whether Zakat can be given for Modern Education leaving aside following issues ?Who is more Mustahiq for Zakat (right to claim Zakat)
(a) If your nears and dears,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to nourish(feed),cloth and shelter themselves.
(b) If your near and dear ones,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to get their treatment done properly.
(c) If your nears and dears,neighbours,miskeens and yateems are very poor and unable to get the marriage of their children done if they have reached to their puberty.
You are, therefore, requested to please clarify this immediately in reference to above issues in the light of Holy Quran / Sunnah of prophet/Rightly guided caliphs/ Darul Iftah of Hanafi School of thought before people start dancing and singing in reference to the above quoted information and people start giving Zakat for Modern education leaving aside sensitive issues as mentioned at (iv) a,b,c above and one is held responsible for it on the day of judgement (Qayamat ke din).
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Dear Mohammed Khan Sahib assalam alikum.
ReplyDeleteI have given my Phone No. 05222451460 & Mobile- 9415920570. On 1 Jan, 2010. I was told that a call from you was received. On my Mobile a number 915812511087 was recorded. On this number I sveral time I tried to contact you but could not succeed.
Asslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteDear Janab Iqbal bhai;
The clarification as requested earlier is yet to be posted from your side on the most sensitive issues like “ Permissibility of Singing and Dancing in Islam” and “Use of Zakat funds for modern education” without mentioning any thing about the fulfilment of basic needs of poors and needy persons as mentioned in Holy Quran. Let us raise complete issue of religious importance with Muftis and take comprehensive fatwas only before forming any opinion otherwise it will be very detrimental and misguiding for society and for the people of Bhargain in particular. We all know that No Mufti can issue a fatwa to use Zakat funds for the modern education keeping aside basic needs of the people who deserve for it like fooding,clothing,shelter,treatment of illness, marriages of children etc. If it is being used anywhere other than fulfilment of basic human needs then please seek comprehensive fatwa/clarification first from renowned Muftis of Hanafi school of thought otherwise it will be undoubtedly the misuse of funds of the people for whom it is meant in Holy Quran. Even for the purpose of religious education it is to be used for poor and needy children whose parents deserve for zakat and not for everyone. For modern education, let people contribute generously from their own savings and let it be used for this great purpose the way we want to use because it is not easy to maintain the Zakat according to the basic tenets of Quran and Sunnah of Prophet(PBUH).Let the Zakat funds be used for the purpose first as mentioned in Holy Quran/Sunnah of prophet(PBUH).
Regarding issue of “ Permissibility of Singing and Dancing in Islam” the clarification may please be posted on the blog in the reference of my queries so that people are guided properly on this serious issue of religious importance before indulging in any Gunah.Please take it seriously and do not leave the matter unattended for confusion and misguidance.
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
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ReplyDeleteassl aaj bus salam kafi hai
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum to all
ReplyDeleteJanab Mohd Aslam Khan
Regarding my wreite up on" What is Halal & Haram" I infrom you that this article I have received from one of my friend who is in Dubai, he is high qualified and very much interested in Islamic knowledge, as I know him from last many years we can trust on him. So at present I can not clarify your doubts but I am trying to contact friend and as soon as I received feedback I will pass you. So presently I am very sorry.
Regarding use us ZAKAT please note by my write up I tried to convey to our sociedy that ZAKAT can be use for modern education also.
In concern your question that who has first right on ZAKAT ,here I want to clear that as per my knowledge and my thinking your needy nears & dears, neighbours having first right on ZAKAT. First of all your family members and relatives who required help for (1)medical expense (2) marriage of daughter (3) Eduction & than others.
Here please note that ZAKAT can not be use for fixed assets.
Allah Hafiz
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Baroda
It gives me a great sense of joy and feeling of accomplishment and elation to announce that the Govt. has approved the stoppage of two express trains at Ballupur station. I am being compelled to break my silence as something onground have been achieved by people of Bhargain. Congratulations for one and all for this remarkable success. This by any means is a remarkable achievement by the people of Bhargain. A new dawn will certainly bring light to the gloomy world of Bhargain and it is a step that will throw away all the miseries which has camouflaged the lives of people of Bhargain. I am extremely thankful for the people who have supported all the struggles and demonstrations which we did in drawing the attention of Govt. of India like our struggle in 2005.
ReplyDeleteThe two express trains one which starts from Kasganj at 11:50 hrs and the other from Farrukhabad starting at 14:00 hrs will now stop at Ballupur.
We are indeed thankful and indebted to Dada, Ravindraji for his untiring and consistent efforts in bringing this New Year gift to the people of Bhargain.
A small function at Ballupur station was held and function was chaired by Shri Asish Bhatia Senior DCM, Izzat Nagar. I along with Dada, Ravindraji addressed the function and expressed our sincere thanks to the Indian Railways and all those who have worked very hard to achieve this remarkable Success. I would also like to mention few names that have been instrumental in this endeavour like Aale Nabi r/o Bhikan thok, Ishaq r/o Bhikan Thok, Ilyas r/o Bhikan thok, Ziledar r/o Bhikan thok, Haji Hanif r/o Bhadela thok, Nathhu Khan r/o Lal Baugh, Mohd. Shafi r/o Pubhaon etc.
One important thing I would like to mention is that this facility has been extended for three months on trial basis. Extension of the same will be on the sale of tickets in the trial period. So it is my sincere appeal to all the brethren to help in increasing sale of tickets.
Allah Hafiz.
Capt. Abdul latif.
Congratulations to everyone and specially to those who have struggled to make it a reality.
ReplyDeleteCongratulation to all who make it possible.
ReplyDeleteAsslamu alaikum;
ReplyDeleteAlhamdu lillah,this is really a milestone in the development history of Bhargain and added one more feather in the cap of the people whose untiring efforts has brought this great news for all of us.
My congratulations to all those who have directly and indirectly contributed for this great cause.
Nahin Ishq ka dard, Lazzat se khali,
Jise zauq hai, woh maza janta hai.
- Mir Taqi Mir
"Mubarak sad'ha Mubarak"
Mohd Aslam Khan
Bareilly
Asslamu Alaikum to all,
ReplyDeleteCongratulation to all who make a difficult job possible. Both the trains are very usefull specially for Baroda base passangers.
I request to all who were directly or indirectly contributed in this work please continue efforts for permanent stopage.
Allah Hafiz
Mohd Iqbal Khan
Baroda
Dear Brothers and Sisters of Bhargain,
ReplyDeleteAssalamalaikum,
Congratulations!The news has the sweetness of honey, serenity of morning air and expectations of both young and old. Now a bigger challenge lies ahead for all of us to make Ballupur a permanent station. Let us explore ways in increasing sales. Let us not take this challenge by lying down. I have my own inhibitions and you may call me a pessimist as Sarvodaya Vidhyalaya once alloted to Bhargain was shifted somewhere else.
So be careful and start preparations
for the onslaught.
Amin!
Yours Bhatti
I know you can do it.
ReplyDeleteDear All,
ReplyDeleteAssalamo Aleykum,
Congrats to all of you!!! Specially to those who have really done some work for that. And i request to all of you to share your sources in Railway then we can help these guys in this work.
Best Regards
Abdur Rahman Khan
+91-9712900466
Assalamualaikum
ReplyDeleteknowing that The stopage of Express Trains at Ballupur Halt has been approved by the Railway autorities, I feel highly grateful to all those who were striving to acheive this goal.
I congratulate to those all who contributed in the struggle of getting the facility from the Railways. really it is a marvalous job.
Dear brothers & sisters,
ReplyDeleteASAK,
Well I hope it is time to change over to new topic. Suggest some.
Allah Hafiz,
Bhatti
assalamualaikum all bhatti bhai
ReplyDeletekiya aap chate ho ki aapka gham bhargain salamat rah to aao kuch acha kare or loogo ko samjhai
ReplyDeleteaao kuch in ke bhi vichar sune or samjh or samjhai kiya aslam is ghom me phale nahi thi hum aslam bhabhi ki bat kiy sune thank you all bhargain vace
ReplyDeleteassalamualaikum all bhargain
ReplyDeleteAssalamulaikum all of you.
ReplyDeleteWhile surfing through the net I came across this blog about bhargain. Well, I am indeed surprised and proud of the fact that we people also have a blog spot of our own. Congratulations and best of luck to the blogger who started this.
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ReplyDeletehi i m khan from the respectfull bhargain, i really distrub that when there is a uneducated chairman there was a lot of fingure those u r typing there fact wrights and now when there is educated chairman all are be affraid about or anything else i can't understand about bhattis politics.
hope god may bless my bhargain from this graduate uneducated crocodiles
shahid khan
9727257141